5 stones

[Precepts]

Originally posted by georgeS:
Well, this is my first post, so it will be right in the middle of the fire. The 5 stones means nothing. Why are we assigning code and numerology or something to Gods word? David could have just as well picked up one stone and "maybe" completed the job. If you go out with the goal of winning 2 people to Christ, do you just take 2 tracks with you? No, David knew he had a job to do and he equipped himself to do the job. It was not a lack of faith on his part.

I believe george, that God eguipped David and the evidence of that is his being a youth and his small size compared to the giant. The Spirit of God makes no mistakes, nothing does He do by happenchance.

The very air you breath is provided by the LORD just as He provided the 5 stones in the brook He provided. That word "five" isn't there as just a historical account, but for the reason of God. I would really hate to know I thought so little of the Word of God to limit it to only a book of the history of a bunch of dead kings and their plunders, but that would be the fault of naturaleyes, for the things of the Spirit are spiritually discerned/ seen.

You mention the "middle" of the fire, kinda reminds me of 3 Hebrew young men; Meshach, Shadrach, and Abednego, but mostly that 4th man in the fire, likened unto the Son of God walking within that firey furnace, or is it just my imagination? NO! It's the Word of God! John 1:1 The Word. Wonder if grace had anything to do with that? Hmmmm?

 

[C.S. Murphy]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:

Since this is a theological discussion, why is it in the fundamental section? Is this a joke instigated by CS Murphy, a moderator?

No it is not a joke,like Larry I was discussing this in SS yesterday. Someone brought up the question so I asked it here. Your point about it being a theological question so what is it doing here sparked my interest so here goes. As our guidelines state some topics that have special forums devoted to them should be left there, so why can we argue a theological issue here and not a version or cal/arm issue. I feel it is because normally theological issues don't bring the vicious debate that some issues do. IMO many of the decisions made by the leaders of this board are made in an effort to avoid conflict when possible. A few minutes ago I closed a thread that IMO had turned into a version argument, now I could have left it open and most likely spent alot of time editing posts and breaking up fights but there is no profit there. Ofcourse we can discuss theological issue here, our problems seem to have arisen because the rule of showing grace to others has been ignored. Remember what mama said "if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all" God Bless and please play nice my friends.
Murph

 

[Pastor KevinR]

I have no clue why David picked up five stones, maybe that was what was available in the likely brief time he had as he approached the giant, or maybe it does have some type of spiritual significance. It's interesting to speculate, but let's not be dogmatic about the stones as types of this or that. I do believe we can preach and teach that David represents God's child and the giant represents overwhelming circumstances...that if we trust YHWH, as David did, we too can conquer proverbial "giants". Let's be careful though about "Augustine" problem...to allegorize when it is not needed. At the same time their are times when we can do so...see Galatians 4:24 "allegory" in the KJV, "symbolic" NKJV

 

[georgeS]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by georgeS:
Well, this is my first post, so it will be right in the middle of the fire. The 5 stones means nothing. Why are we assigning code and numerology or something to Gods word? David could have just as well picked up one stone and "maybe" completed the job. If you go out with the goal of winning 2 people to Christ, do you just take 2 tracks with you? No, David knew he had a job to do and he equipped himself to do the job. It was not a lack of faith on his part.

I believe george, that God eguipped David and the evidence of that is his being a youth and his small size compared to the giant. The Spirit of God makes no mistakes, nothing does He do by happenchance.

The very air you breath is provided by the LORD just as He provided the 5 stones in the brook He provided. That word "five" isn't there as just a historical account, but for the reason of God. I would really hate to know I thought so little of the Word of God to limit it to only a book of the history of a bunch of dead kings and their plunders, but that would be the fault of naturaleyes, for the things of the Spirit are spiritually discerned/ seen.

You mention the "middle" of the fire, kinda reminds me of 3 Hebrew young men; Meshach, Shadrach, and Abednego, but mostly that 4th man in the fire, likened unto the Son of God walking within that firey furnace, or is it just my imagination? NO! It's the Word of God! John 1:1 The Word. Wonder if grace had anything to do with that? Hmmmm? </font>[/QUOTE]Don't know how the three Hebrew kids got in here; except there is a lot of meandering around that has no application to the question at hand. Your hateful attitude makes me think maybe I should find another forum where real Christians post. Not those making threats about guns and the like

 

[C.S. Murphy]

George welcome to the board, I look forward to interacting with you. Let's all give our brother Quickening Spirit the benefit of the doubt and show him the same grace that we seek from him.
God Bless
Murph

 

[C.S. Murphy]

Originally posted by C.S. Murphy:

Remember what mama said "if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all" God Bless and please play nice my friends.
Murph

In case anyone missed this the first time.

 

[Precepts]

No it is not a joke,like Larry I was discussing this in SS yesterday.

Well then Murphy, can we invite you to give your ideas concerning these "5 stones"? you introduced the subject but fail to give anything but the post I pulled this from, that really isn't fair.

I am not asking you to do so to effect anything I've already said in this thread, any other for that matter, but we at least deserve to hear what you've got to say on this topic, whether we debate it or not, and just keep proclaiming the essence of the spiritual applications of God's Word for the good of others and the Glory of God.

That is why I questioned your reason for intitiating it, you haven't answered still.

 

[tinytim]

Five stones simply means five stones. If it says otherwise in the Bible please let me know. As a bible believer I believe what the Bible says. If It states a reason for picking up five stones please post it. I appreciate the belief that the number 5 stands for grace. But I have yet seen it in the Bible. And even if I did believe that 5 = grace, how can I know that five stones = grace?
I'm not charismatic so I don't believe that God will someday say, "Tim, I told David to pick up 5 stones so that someday preachers looking for a good message will have something to spiritualize." There is enough good preaching in the Bible without stretching texts to mean something they don't.

 

[C.S. Murphy]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
[QUOTEWell then Murphy, can we invite you to give your ideas concerning these "5 stones"? you introduced the subject but fail to give anything but the post I pulled this from, that really isn't fair.

That is why I questioned your reason for intitiating it, you haven't answered still.

My friend are you attempting to enrage everyone here? Why is it not fair for me not to reply? Actually my time has been limited as I have just began a new pastorate and am not allowing myself alot of free time to participate here. I have also been somewhat preoccupied with reading your posts and those who you are arguing with. As I said a person in my SS class asked the question and as I really had no answer I asked it of this group. When I started on this board I had the mistaken assumption that I needed to comment and argue every topic, many feel this way but it is a mistake. Thankfully now I read more than I post, it seems I learn more that way. As I said I wanted to know what others thought about the 5 stones, why is that wrong? I have enjoyed what many have said especially Blackbird but I have no reason to dogmatically declare any spiritual truth from this number of stones. I am not saying there is none just that I don't know. That is another thing God has taught me over the years, that it is OK to admit that you don't know. I hope that this has answered your complaint.
God Bless
Murph

 

[Precepts]

Double post SORRY!

 

[Precepts]

I have been over zealous and I over-racted in this topic, and my view has been made clear, I just went the wrong way about it and I am sorry to have offended anyone. I will ask all to forgive me, but I in no way am making an excuse for my behaviour. I leave myself open to public scrutiny regarding this subject and am at your mercy.

Thank You nad God Bless,

Ricky

 

[glenn316]

I think David waas being prudent in picking up extra stones. Even if he believed he could kill goliath with one,and I'm not shure he believed that, there was still Goliath's armor bearer, and the rest of the army behind!

 

[Pastor Larry]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
O.K. I see now, David slew the giant and it has absolutely no spiritual application and isn't worth preaching except, by your standard, on the Sovereignty of God. The account has nothing to do with grace, there was nothing to even allude to being more than overcomers in Christ, has absolutely nothing to hint towards faith, etc, etc. The double etc. is because the Word of God is alive and not limited to your dead theology. I also suppose you can't preach a Gospel message from this text as well. Probably the most "famous" titles I've heard, "How To Get AHead" was just the wasted efforts concocted in the imagination of a man, and everyone who has been helped by the preaching of the message is deceived and should go back to being defeated all the time because they too were as Eliab at one time. I borrow a phrase from a fellow laborer, "That dog won't hunt". If tyou want to remain limited by your theology that's your business, but maybe you should learn a little application of the interpetation to enlarge your coasts. Jabez prayed that prayer and God honoured his request, He just might yours too.

I never said anything of the sort and I hope that you will see that. I do believe there are spiritual applications from the passage. I do not have a dead theology. I am not limited in it. I don't need you to tell me how to pray or anything else. I do wish you would read what I said and take it to heart. The number five has no spiritual meaning. It is a number; it is not a message. He picked up five stones because he picked up five stones. There is an awful lot to preach from this passage without adding stuff like this. Preach the text; not your own ideas from the text.

I accept your apology and trust that this will put an end to the rancor here.

 

[Precepts]

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

I accept your apology and trust that this will put an end to the rancor here.

Let's bury the hatchet, Larry, along with the handle, please.