A Death Blow to Full (Hyper) Preterism

Where does the marriage supper of the Lamb fit into preterism?

 

Eh, I don't want to derail, but do you have scripture to support that?

 

1st Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


Phillipians 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

He will come and the dead in christ will rise first, That would include the Apostles, Peter, John, Paul and the rest. He will change our bodies from mortal to immortal like His glorious body. This has not happened and is yet future when the church will be raptured.

 

I don't agree with the futurist view:

2Co 5:8
(8) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

But, we won't go there; I was just curious if you could specifically support that Peter "comes and goes into the ressurection body."

 

You missed my response in post 20. But that is not surprising considering this display of arrogance. Kind of hard to see past it isn't it.

 

Sometimes we forget the Apostles were all full preterists

Since the Apostles clearly believed and taught that Christ would return in their generation they are undeniably full preterists.

Since the Apostles were the ones inspired by the Holy Spirit--I'll take their word on it not futurists that have to resort to torture of all the soon coming statements in the divinely inspired New Testament.

If the Apostles were wrong then they weren't divinely inspired and once you establish that you can't take their testimony as credible on anything else--saved by faith, resurrection from the grave, or any second coming at all.

I'll side with the Apostles and proudly be a full preterist.

Once I realized what position the apostles took I changed my position to align with theirs.

I can proudly uphold the entire word of God to others instead of twist, torture,and apologize for it. Sorry futurists--no matter how you squirm and deny you are in a perpetual state of creating and inventing to make the bible align with you position--and deep down you know it--you just don't want to accept it. Sad.

 

Sincere question:

If Jesus' second coming has already taken place, how will those who have died, rise up on the resurrection day? When Jesus comes, those that are alive and remain(born again folks) will be changed in a moment and twinkling of an eye, and the dead in Christ will rise first. So, if He has already came, then how can these things happen. I don't understand the full preterist/partial preterist view, and I ask these questions with all sincerity to understand y'alls view on this matter. Please explain this to me!! BTW, read my signature, and proceed with caution........:laugh::laugh::wavey:

 

We find the apostles were clearly "looking for him to come" in their generation.. but what you fail to remember historically is that they ALSO taught their disciples to look for his coming, and those disciples taught their disciples, ect.. No where do we ever find them stating, He has come. AND, the premil view was the orthodox view of Church, and was uncontested for the first 200 to 250 years of the early church!

I guess those apostles weren't very good teachers of the on the coming of Jesus

Then you need to change your view to that which they actually taught, and is seen historically in the early church. - the Premil view - which includes a literal 1000 year reign from Jerusalem, a literal physical return of Christ, a literal and physical resurrection, a literal and single anti-christ, and to restore again the Kingdom to Israel

Correct, IF they were wrong. And since they were not but taught their disciples to look for His coming and the Premil view, and those disciples taught their disciples the same.. we can know for SURE on that issue, just what the apostles taught.. and this WAS Futurism or the Premil position.

Apparently you are on the wrong side.. look back at church history.

Unfortunately, this does not line up with what they taught their disciples.. again, you listened to views that do not line up with their teachings on THIS subject and can be verified vai early church history.

No. what is sad is that you willingly and proudly stand against not only the testimony of scripture, but the apostles teaching that established the early church view on this subject that was uncontested for over 200 years, and not till 450'ish was that view over turned from orthodoxy.

 

1 Thessalonians 4:
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


The dead in Christ will rise first, will the ressurection body be an empty shell? Is Peter physically dead his body buried? When Christ returns for His church those who are dead will be made complete, body, soul and human spirit. When we die as you show our soul and spirit are immediately with the Lord. When He returns for the church we go meet Him in the air.

Phillipians 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Notice verse 21 He will change our sinful bodies with a new ressurection body. One like His when He arose from the dead He could walk and talk, He remembered who everyone was and able to call them by name. So too will we ahve a body like unto His and we will be complete, we who are alive at His coming will meet them in the air, changed in an instant from corrupt to incorrupt. So either the body as shell comes out without soul and spirit or they come with Him and are joined to the body being made complete.

 

Okay, I see where you’re going there. I would have a couple cans of worms to open on this, but I have four finals next week and two the week after…and I would most likely have half the Pretrib Dispensationalist of this board up in arms if I even began to address this, so I have to pass.

Yeah, …I seem to have a knack of getting under Dispie’s skin at times on these subjects…check it out:

 

Hmm, I didn’t even realize Mary Magdalene went that far back in history…

 

Doesn't get under my skin, this is how we learn:
1. to believe what is true, one or the other changes mind. Rare but can happen.
2. Learn what others believe and disagree but have a better understanding of the doctirnes taught by others.
3. Have a discussion of views and show even if we disagree we can get along.