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Featured A Fresh Blossom on the TULIP

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Jul 31, 2021.

  1. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    The TULIP should be a beautiful flower of God, spreading the points of its pedals above the bedrock of scripture from which it arose.

    “T” should stand for Totally in Adam; totally separated from God by our corrupted and unholy spiritual nature.

    “U” should stand for Unlimited Reconciliation; God is reconciling fallen humanity to Himself one believer at a time because the sacrifice of Jesus provided the means of salvation for the sin of humanity.

    “L” should stand for Limited Redemption; All mankind has been purchased for God, the ransom for all has been paid in full, but not all men have received (or will receive) the reconciliation provided by Christ. When we are individually chosen (elected) we are then made “at one with God” when we are spiritually baptized into Christ based on God accepting our faith in Christ as sufficient for His purpose, thus crediting our faith as righteousness.

    “I” should stand for In Christ; when we are spiritually baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit, we are converted, given a new heart with our faith hard wired into our soul, and with a clear conscience such that we arise from the baptism into Christ’s death a new spiritual creature in Christ, created for good works and then after our spiritual purification, indwelt with the Holy Spirit as a helper and as God's pledge to our inheritance of Eternal life.

    “P” should stand for Protected Faith; those set apart and converted have their faith protected by God such that will always love Jesus, and anyone who says they were saved but no longer loves Jesus was never saved. But once a person is saved, therefore “In Christ” nothing can snatch him or her out of God’s hand, and because their faith is protected, they would never want to leave the faith. Once saved, always saved.

    It is time to proclaim the TULIP of Scripture.
     
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    Fanciful

    what part of “not by the will of man” is so difficult to understand?

    The conversions of Saul, Abraham, Et al should speak for themselves.

    I guess some just ignore exactly what the Word of God does say
     
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    Van Well-Known Member
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    Once again Romans 4:4-5 is openly denied.
     
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    Not at all
     
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    Van

    I want to say this as kindly as possible since I at one time was much like you. Seriously

    we do not need to be novel in our approach to scripture, we need to adhere to the “old paths”.

    god judges us in our faithfulness to His word

    rest in that

    let it refresh your soul

    there is no shame in that. In fact, it honors God.

    grace and peace
     
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    This is the sum of Calvinism, never admit God credits our faith as righteousness. Deny, deny, deny. Then post not at all. LOL
     
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    Good advice, you should take it.
     
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    Totally in Adam;
    Unlimited Reconciliation;
    Limited Redemption;
    In Christ;
    Protected Faith;

    These are the on topic issues. See if anyone cites verses that support these teachings.
     
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    Calvinism teaches salvation by grace through faith plus________________ to gain final salvation.

    Arminianism teaches salvation by grace through faith plus ___________________or salvation will be lost.

    The Apostle John teaches "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name." John 1:12
     
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    You never admit that our faith comes 100% from God as a gracious favor.
    Deny, deny, deny.
     
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    I believe, the faith, that is credited to us, for righteousness, was and is, Hebrews 5:7 the obedience, which is stated as having been learned by the Son and spoken of in Phil 2:8 as of; having become, obedient unto death even the death of the cross. That Son being Jesus, the one conceived out of Spirit in the virgin Mary and brought forth by the virgin Mary, Holy, without blemish and without spot.

    having known also that a man is not declared righteous by works of law, if not through the faith of Jesus Christ, also we in Christ Jesus did believe, that we might be declared righteous by the faith of Christ, and not by works of law, wherefore declared righteous by works of law shall be no flesh.' Gal 2:16 YLT

    And one of your favorites: And we -- we ought to give thanks to God always for you, brethren, beloved by the Lord, that God did choose you from the beginning to salvation, in sanctification of the Spirit, and belief of the truth,

    God gives you the Spirit of Truth see John 16 It is what puts one in belief. Makes one, a believing one.

    IMHO
     
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    You are right, your "gift of instilled faith" is a fiction, without a shred of scriptural support. God would not credit His own faith, instilled in individuals, as righteousness, it would already be righteous.

    Note the question still hangs in the air, why is it hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom, if "saving faith" is irresistibly instilled in rich people? No answer can be invented to avoid the obvious, our faith is not a prepackaged item beamed into us.

    But the denials, non-stop will continue...
     
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    Just a clarification, is the faith God credits as righteousness obedience (works) or is it trust in the One who justifies the ungodly? Romans 4:5

    Galatians 2:16 (NET)
    yet we know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by the faithfulness of Jesus Christ. And we have come to believe in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by the faithfulness of Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
     
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    It doesn't hang in the air. The rich man thinks his good works will save him and that he can generate a faith on his own.
     
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    LOL, so here we have a characteristic of the individual impacting entry!!! What happened to unconditional election followed by irresistible grace. :)
     
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    Neither of those truths impact the fact that the rich struggle to enter the kingdom because they insist on their independent entry on their terms.
    The fact that this is a struggle for you tells me you just don't understand the truth of the gospel.
     
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    Is it any easier for a low income person in the USA to come to Christ?
     
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    You misunderstand if you think rich is referring to finances.
     
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    If Calvinism was not an invention of men, it would be not hard for a proud rich man to enter, they would enter irresistibly. But your doctrine is a fiction, that is why God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. Hence a conditional bestowal of grace.
     
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    John Calvin is a man, just like Van. By your logic, your own observations of the Bible would be an invention of a man.

    If my doctrine is fiction, then the Bible itself is fiction. Do you truly believe the Bible is fiction? I doubt it. Therefore, I take your objections as coming from a person who struggles with what God is saying in the Bible and looks for a way to ignore that which makes you uncomfortable.

    More than one person has exposed your error in observing scripture, yet you fight against all who will not hold your error.
     
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