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A liberals view on the Kyle incident:

Salty

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Here are the discussions of libs on FB (with a few conservatives trying to explain)
  • Not surprised. I tried to avoid this case as much as possible since it's the worse kind of propaganda.
    There was never going to be justice in this case. A guilty verdict wouldn't have been justice.
    His mother bears the most responsibility.
    Two people are dead and one maimed for life because of extremely poor parenting. He is a child and will likely never be able to get past this. Much like Zimmerman he will have continued problems for years.
    He never should have been there and now his life is likely ruined.
    It's extremely tragic all round.

    • B
      I do agree that bad parenting could be the problem - those two who died - only knew violence.

    • C
      Wow victim blaming?
      Or do only the right have the right to protest?…
    • C
      Tell me which one of his victims was armed?
      Who had they hurt before he showed up and provoked them?
    • B
      The one had a skateboard, the other grabed his weapon. -
    • C
      And the skateboard was before or after Kyle shot someone?
    • B Okay - you said you did all you could do to NOT watch the trial - the OP -- I linked a post by K- she watched the trial and all the things she mentioned - she learned from the trial. ---- I have stated the case and you are no…
    • C --No. What you posted was a bias view meant to provoke a specific emotional response and had nothing to do with the legal aspects of the case.
    • C
      Do you agree the kid never should have been there?…
    • J he is an American citizen. Why shouldn't he have been there?
    • C
      City wide curfew for one.
      The only people that were there were trouble makers and the police. …
    • A
      because he is 18, because he had a rifle that he was not trained to use via police or military training, because the police were not doing their job, because there was already known rioting in the streets, because the building was probably …
    • J so you acknowledge that Rosenbaum, Huber, and Grosskreutz shouldn't have been there?
    • J, did you by any chance notice that he exercised exemplary self-discipline and fire control with that rifle?
  • A
    this is one where there is no win even if there is justice, John Kass of a Chicago paper said it well, "The thing is tragic. Two men are dead. He’s no hero. He’ll carry the stain of this forever. The kid should never have been there that night with his gun in the chaos of the riots in Kenosha. But he was there. And in America, at least for now, you can still defend your life when others try to take it from you."
  • D
    Consider he was charged with murder one less than 2 hours after he turned himself in. There sure wasn't much investigated at that time. The only winner is our judicial system for a change. Two people are dead and this young kid has a lifetime of PTSD t…
  • J
    Justice was served.
    • (?)
      There was no justice.
      No verdict would have given justice.…
AND THEN:
c- I'm seeing a lot of ignorance and misinformation flying around about what happened in Kenosha, and I'm going to set the record straight from a professional legal position... as well as from a former military position. I'm…

  • B- 1) who is Larry Knight - what is a "Legal military worker" ---2) he mentions that Kyle committed a crime by carrying a weapon --- well the judge thew that out - as he determined it was not a crime.


    • No the judge dismissed it. That's not the same thing. By ignoring that crime and the crime of him being there he set the stage for self defense.
My question: what is the difference between throwing out and dismissing?
 

RighteousnessTemperance&

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With all of the media hype, many people are hopelessly misinformed, disinformed, or ill-informed.

Watching livestreams of the trial was quite informative, a good way to understand a lot of what was going on, as the lawyers had to hash out many of the issues on camera with the judge presiding and no jury present.
 

RighteousnessTemperance&

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Two counts originally charged were dismissed by the judge. The curfew charge was dismissed because the state never proved there was a curfew to violate. A policeman mentioning it on the stand is considered insufficient evidence. They would have to establish who gave the order, and presumably its validity. The prosecution seemed totally inept here.

The weapons charge also went away, but took forever to be finally decided in favor of the defense. The statutes were considered by all to be confusing. The bottom line was that, as a 17-year-old, he had to be hunting without a license, which he obviously wasn’t, or carrying a gun or rifle of illegal length, either barrel or overall.

The prosecution was desperate for this one to stay on the list, but when the judge offered to measure the rifle right there or else have the prosecution stipulate that it was of illegal length, they had to admit it was legal. Dismissed. I think the judge said something like, “Then that one goes away.” This made the prosecution look sleazy, but was not done in front of the jury.

I should add (so I am) that the prosecution disagreed with the final interpretation of the statutes, but that didn't make them look less sleazy.
 
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RighteousnessTemperance&

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The talk of justice or lack thereof misses widely. The real injustice was that there was ever a trial at all. As the defense attorney said, prosecution was a rush to judgment, politically motivated, and became an effort to win rather than to seek justice.

Further injustice is found outside the courthouse. The Dem Progressive Left media have been merciless in their false depictions of Kyle and the events of that night, which many then parrot without any understanding.
 
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