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A look at the NKJV.

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Steven m., Feb 9, 2003.

  1. David A Bayliss

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    Out of interest to you actually believe that or are you being facetious?

    DAB

     
  2. Ed Edwards

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    </font>[/QUOTE]I actually believe it.
     
  3. Ed Edwards

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    ------------------------------------
    Levels of Inerrancy:
    (note that a rating of 0 or less is
    not inerrant. These ratings are included
    for completeness and represent the
    opinions of non-inerrantists)

    -3 the Bible has many major errors and is invalid
    -2 The Bible has major errors
    so is only marginally useful
    -1 the Bible has minor errors and should
    be used with caution
    0 The Bible has minor errors but is still useful
    1 The Bible is inerrant on all doctrinal issues
    2 The Bible is inerrant on all issues:
    doctrinal, historic, and scientific
    3 The Bible is inerrant in the origional autographs
    4 The Bible is inerrant only in the Textus Receptus (TR)
    5 The Bible is inerrant only in the KJV 1611
    (exclusive of translator notes)
    6 The Bible is inerrant only in the KJV 1611
    (including the translator notes)
    7 The Bible is inerrant only in the
    KJB1769 and/or KJB 1873
    8 The Bible is inerrant in any English
    translation based on the TR
    9 The Bible is inerrant in any
    English translation translated
    by dynamic qeuivalence
    10 The Bible is inerrant in all English translations
    11 the Bible is inerrant as implemented
    in the Doctrine of the Church of England
    12 The Bible is inerrant as
    implemented in the US Republican
    Party platform
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    How inerrant do you believe the Bible
    to be? I give it an inerrancy of TEN!!!

    I further believe that if a version
    is inerrant it is therefore
    the errorless and perfect written word of God
    preserved for us to these last days.
     
  4. Steven m.

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    Brother Ed Edwards.

    You can stick to your man made nkjv translation,as for me Im sticking with the only infallible,without error Word of the Living God,and that is KJV.I have several translations,thank God that the Holy Spirit,helps me to know which one to trust,that is KJV.

    The modern day translations are fruitless.

    Brother Miller.
     
  5. Ransom

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    I have several translations,thank God that the Holy Spirit,helps me to know which one to trust,that is KJV.

    Are you trying to say that what the Holy Spirit is allegedly telling you ought to apply to the rest of us as well?

    If so, please prove it is the Holy Spirit.

    If not, then it is of no more value than your opinion.

    The modern day translations are fruitless.

    But the King James Bible, on the other hand, is named after a fruit. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    [ February 12, 2003, 03:10 PM: Message edited by: Ransom NASB 1995 TRULY GODS WORD ]
     
  6. Ed Edwards

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    Isaiah 40:8 (nKJV):
    The grass withers, the flower fades,
    But the word of our God stands forever.


    The New King James Version (nKJV)
    witnesses of itself that it is the
    inerrant and perfect written word of God
    preserved for us in these last days.

    Item edited to correct spelling

    [ February 12, 2003, 04:09 PM: Message edited by: Ed Edwards ]
     
  7. Pastor Larry

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    The Holy Spirit tells me that he didn't tell you that ... What do you do now?
     
  8. Ed Edwards

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    Steven m: "You can stick to your man made nkjv translation,as for me Im sticking with the only infallible,without error Word of the Living God,and that is KJV.I have several translations,thank God that the Holy Spirit,helps me to know which one to trust,that is KJV."

    Item presented correctly.

    You can stick to your man made nKJV translation,
    as for me, I'm sticking with the only infallible, without error, Word of the
    Living God, and that is KJV. I have
    several translations, thank God that
    the Holy Spirit, helps me to know
    which one to trust, that is KJV.

    Having trouble there: two spaces after a
    period at the end of a sentence (only one
    space after a period in an abbreviation),
    one space after a comma, etc.

    Please recall that there is a difference between
    the Holy Written Word of God which is
    the Holy Bible and the Living Word of God
    which is Messiah Iesus.

    Which of the following does the Holy Spirit
    tell you is the best KJV?

    1. King James Version, 1611
    2. King James Version, 1769
    3. King James Version, 1873

    The New King James Version (nKJV) is the
    inerrant and perfect written word of God
    preserved for us in these last days,
    namely the 21st Century.
    The King James Version, 1873 is the
    inerrant and perfect written word of God
    for the 19th century for the USofA.
    The King James Version, 1611 is the
    inerrant and perfect written word of God
    for the 17th century.
    Isn't God neat!!! He provides His
    inerrant and perfect written word of GOd
    for all times to all men!
    The NIV is the ilnerrant and perfect written
    word of God for international speakers
    of English.
     
  9. Pastor_Bob

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    Originally posted by Ed Edwards
    Let's be a little less concerned with pointing out grammatical inadequacies; especially when we haven't mastered the art yet. Stick to the issue.
     
  10. Steven m.

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    I for one was deceived by the Title "New King James"....its a new translation....loosely based on the King James....but not translated totally from the same manuscripts. I have subsequently gotten rid of mine.
     
  11. BrianT

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    I for one was deceived by the title "Authorized Version". I originally thought that meant it was authorized by God himself, but have since learned that it is only some strange king's authorization that it can be used in British Anglican churches in the 17th century, in opposition to the Baptists' and Puritans' Geneva Bible. I kept it anyway. [​IMG]
     
  12. Scott J

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    Proof please. The NKJV was most definitely translated from the same texts as the KJV.

    BTW, the KJV was not translated from manuscripts. It was translated from one of the TR editions.
     
  13. neal4christ

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    Yes, I would like proof of this as well. I have looked hard, but I have yet to find where the NKJV uses a different manuscript or basis than the KJV.

    Neal
     
  14. Ed Edwards

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    Psalm 12:6-7 (nKJV):

    The words of the Lord are pure words,
    Like silver tried in a furnace of earth,
    Purified seven times.
    7 You shall keep them, O Lord,
    You shall preserve them from this
    generation forever.
    [​IMG]

    The New King James Version (nKJV) testifies
    of itself that it is the
    inerrant and perfect written word of God
    preserved for us for this last generation.
    [​IMG]
     
  15. AV Defender

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    The NKJV has ASV,RSV and NASV readings in it;look at 2thessalonians 2:7,James 5:16,Matt 20:20, Also, look at, 2 Tim 2:7 is a ASV reading,1 Thessalonians 5:22 is a ASV reading,Acts 4:27,30 is a ASV reading which attacks the deity of Christ,Acts 4:13 is the NASV reading,2Tim 2:22 & 2:26 are NASV readings,John 14:2 is a RSV & NASV reading,2Tim 4:6 is a NASV reading,Acts 17:29 is from the NASV,1st John 3:4,7 is also a NASV reading.So you see, the New King Jimmy Version is not like the AV it claims to be from.
     
  16. HankD

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    Dear JYD,

    Concerning your NKJV objections:

    I'll take the first passage you mentioned (2 Thessalonians 2:7) and look at it, not from the point of view that it looks like the ASV, but from a translational accuracy point of view.

    KJV 2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

    NKJ 2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.

    ASV 2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness doth already work: only there is one that restraineth now, until he be taken out of the way.

    What problem do you see with the NKJV and ASV rendering? Basically all three make an interpretation of this difficult text because italics are used in each, adding "clarity" in the perception of the translators.
    Basically there are two words of signifcant difference.

    "Mystery of iniquity" vs "mystery of lawlessness" Here the KJV translates "anomias" as "iniquity".
    It is literally "lawless", as is all Greek texts as the Scrivener)
    This word "iniquity-(anomias)" here is translated as "lawless" in the KJV in 1 John for instance.
    The NKJV is more consistent and faithful to the TR with this word.

    "now letteth, will let" vs "restrains will do so Here both translators made an admitted interpretation "will let" and "will do so" which are in italics, added by the translators for "clarity".

    The nuance of the present day meaning of "to let" (Greek - katecho) makes it appear as if the KJV is saying that the "restrainer" in this passage is ALLOWING the lawlessness rather than restraining it.

    Strong 2722 katecho {kat-ekh'-o}
    • 1) to hold back, detain, retain 1a) from going away 1b) to restrain, hinder (the course or progress of) 1b1) that which hinders, Antichrist from making his appearance 1b2) to check a ship's headway i.e. to hold or head the ship 1c) to hold fast, keep secure, keep firm possession of 2) to get possession of, take 2b) to possess

    IMO, The NKJV (and ASV) in this instance is a superior rendering for this passage than the KJV, more consistent with the koine Greek translated into modern English.

    How do you see the significance of the differences?

    HankD
     
  17. Scott J

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    Which part do you have a problem with. "Lawlessness" and "iniquity" mean exactly the same thing as used in this context. "Letteth" in the KJV means to hinder or restrain. Look at Romans 1:13 for comparison. Don't tell me that you don't understand KJV English well enough to know this. :confused:
    I am not sure what you issue here is but the KJV translates the word 'paraptoma' as trespass 9 times, offence 7 times, sin 3 times, fall 2 times, and fault only 2 times. Certainly the KJV translators had no problem with the 'trespasses' translation.
    These verses mean exactly the same thing except that the NKJV consistently and correctly translates pneuma hagios as Holy Spirit rather than introducing confusion by sometimes translating His name as Holy Ghost:
    [/qb]
    Here is a perfect example of one of the greatest dangers that KJVOnlyism presents to conservative/fundamental Baptist. In this verse the NKJV means exactly what the KJV does. "the Lord give thee" is precisely how KJV English would say "may the Lord give you." The only problem here is that you don't understand the language of your preferred version.
    And once again, the problem is with your bias and lack of understanding of KJV English, not the NKJV. The phrases convey the same meanings and implications.
    Only if the KJV attacks the deity of Christ by translating the same word as servant in relation to Jesus in Mat 12:18. This Greek word is used 24 times in the NT. The KJV translates it as a form of servant 13 times.
    Whether it is a NASB "reading" or not, it means the same thing as the KJV. Once again the only thing questionable is your diction.
    ... and other than some kind of demented notion of guilt by association, what exactly do you object to?
    Seems to also be a KJV "reading":
    Do you actually check this stuff out before posting it or do you just blindly follow those blind leaders?
    Here's the Strong's entry for this word that only appears twice in the NT.
    So what??? If the NASB has a more accurate translation of the same text then the NKJV should adopt its translation.
    ... which more clearly says the same thing as the KJV.
    Uhhh... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    Yeah, you really proved your point with these verses. The NKJV is very much like the KJV except in the places where the KJV needed to be corrected to a more accurate rendering of the TR.
     
  18. Ed Edwards

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    Amen, Brother HankD -- Preach it!

    The nKJV is the inerrant and perfect
    Written Word of God for our generation!
     
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  20. Steve K.

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    Amen JYD and Steve M!! Stick with the true word of God the KJV. There is no other!
     
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