A Nation of Baby Killers?

If abortion is declared illegal, it will cease from having our national stamp of approval on murder of our innocent.

You are wrong when you say there is only one verse in the Bible that addresses abortion. Abortion is the cousin of child sacrifices to idols performed by all those heathen nations in the Bible, which God calls an abomination. The modern version of that is called abortion. Same thing, different name. The god is now called abortion (which is a pseudonym for convenience, selfishness, birth control, rebellion). Same thing.

 

The greatest men of our nation flip flopped over the Slavery issue for nigh 90 years. Then came the blood bath. More Americans died in that one war than in all the wars America has ever fought. Our politicians have been flip flopping over abortion nigh 35 years now and 10 times the blood of innocents has been shed than in all of the 300 plus years of slavery.

This nation paid bitterly for it's sad use of humanity while preaching the message of "All men are created equal", or the phrase that clearly defines or independence, "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." When life is denied to a nation's most innocent, God has always intervened. The United States of America has been judged in the past and America will be judged again for this insidious cultural evil. Human life is being denied it's most cherished God given right of life, liberty and the chance to pursue it's own destiny. My prayer is that God will wake us up before the blood bath comes.

Stop voting your pocket books and see to the needs of the innocent.
The mother that sees a murderous doctor for the death of her child in a "backroom alley" is not innocent, it's blood is on her and the doctor's hand not mine. The mother that goes to a government backed clinic gathers the culpability of the whole nation into her shame. The blood is now on my hands. Look at your's. If you payed taxes for the last 30 years the blood is also on your's. :tear:

May God have mercy on us all.

Daniel was an innocent youth taken to Babylon when God's judgment came to his nation. This was his prayer.

Daniel 9:4-19
4And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
5We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments:
6Neither have we hearkened unto thy servants the prophets, which spake in thy name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land.
7O Lord, righteousness belongeth unto thee, but unto us confusion of faces, as at this day; to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and unto all Israel, that are near, and that are far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them, because of their trespass that they have trespassed against thee.
8O Lord, to us belongeth confusion of face, to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against thee.
9To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him;
10Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets.
11Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
12And he hath confirmed his words, which he spake against us, and against our judges that judged us, by bringing upon us a great evil: for under the whole heaven hath not been done as hath been done upon Jerusalem.
13As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.
14Therefore hath the LORD watched upon the evil, and brought it upon us: for the LORD our God is righteous in all his works which he doeth: for we obeyed not his voice.
15And now, O Lord our God, that hast brought thy people forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and hast gotten thee renown, as at this day; we have sinned, we have done wickedly.
16O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.
17Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of thy servant, and his supplications, and cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is desolate, for the Lord’s sake.
18O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for thy great mercies.
19O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.


Though innocent of the evil of his nation, he was taken and made a eunuch to serve the king of Babylon. We might think that we are innocent of our nation's evil but we will suffer it's same fate.

 

Show me the verse and I will stand corrected. But child sacrifices never means abortion. The Bible says that life starts with the first breath ... so until the child is born and draws the first breath the Bible does not say it has life.

Also, politicians can do nothing about abortion. Only the Supreme Court or a Constitutiona Amendment can change this law. And, unless the court appointed justices were lieing in the hears where they testified they will not declare Roe v. Wade unconstitutional. If they do it proves they were lieing under oath and that is grounds for being removed from the court.

Don't get me wrong, I have never said I approve of abortions. I simply know it is not such a simple issue as many want it to be.

 

Amen sister, amen. I love you with all my brotherly heart. :thumbs:

 

Different? I suppose it is "different" if you have a need to justify your support of an abortion candidate.

Getting pregnant and slaughtering children are seperate issues. Most people realize this.

 

Show me the verses.

 

Nor was slavery.

 

Very true and we are still living with the effects of slavery and will for along time to come.

 

Maybe we should allow for back alley slave owners.

 

ooohhh, The verse says seed not child. That is Born and/or Unborn.:applause: :godisgood:

 

Hebrew has no "word" for abortion - the termination of life within the womb was unthinkable, an unborn child was considered the same status as one who had already been born--a child. I have already stated that abortion is a cousin to child sacrifice which God considered an abomination. Even though there is no exact Hebrew word for abortion, this verse is an example of it: (Amos 1:13) "Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of the children of Ammon, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they have ripped up the women with child of Gilead, that they might enlarge their border:"

 

According to The Broadman Bible Commentary both of these passages deal with the prohibition of child sacrifices. Where the translation you use has the word seed is translated as children. The Broadman commentary uses "children."

Thus, neither of these passages says anything about abortion. So these passages cannot be used in an honest way as an argument against abortion.

From the Broadman Commentary, Vol. 2, p. 50:

The reference in v.21 [chapter 19] to the devotion of children to Molech is dealt with more fully in 20:2-5. This refers to the ritual of child sacrifice, and its presence in a list of laws concerning sexual conduct suggests that the rites in which it took place had a markedly sexual character.

From p.54, same volume:

In vv. 2-5 we have a full treatment of the distinctive crime of sacrificing childrento Molech, which has already been mentioned. Reference to the practice is found in 2 Kings 23:10 Josiah removed the place where this particularly hideous, pagan practice was carried out, but the further reference in Jeremiah 32:35 suggests that it had subsequently been resumed. This was a form of child sacrifice which was current among influential families in Jerusalem, and which was even adopted by certain of Judah's kings. (2 Kings 21:6). In origin, child sacrifice appears to have entered into Israel from the Canannite-Phoenician sphere, where certain texts attest its currency, especially in the Phoenician settlement of Carthage ....

There is more, but it is obvious these texts have nothing to do with abortion.

 

English word: abortion

Hebrew words meaning abortion: (ש"ע) הפלה (הפסקת היריון); כישלון; סיום מוקדם (של פרויקט וכו'); התפתחות כושלת (ביולוגיה)

 

Thank you for the encouragement!:thumbs:

 

I think we (including me) are getting off topic. So let's bring it back around to the OP, folks! Thanks!

 

Yiou are correct. :laugh: Back the the topic.

 

Your Source???

 

Ah, but the word seed makes the verse's subject pertinent for today's society. Just as the sacrifice to Molech was sexual in worship to the idol, abortion is the sacrifice of a child for sexual convenience and self promotion.

And is exactly why Judah was taken into captivity. And why king Jehoichim was blinded after he witnessed the killing of his sons.

God judges these things among nations and He will judge us.

 

Now that is a liberal interpretation if I ever saw one. You take the original meaning and add to it ... this is very liberal. And it is not intellectually honest. You are taking it completely out of context. The Bible never calls the unborn a child. And you are using a translation to suit your own interpretation ... and that is a misuse of the Bible. So, your argument does not hold.

In your own words you say Hehoichim was blinded after he witnessed the killing of his sons. They were already born. This cannot honestly be used as an abortion point. Again it is a liberal misuse of the Bible.

 

My conviction is this: I will never vote for anyone who supports a woman's "right" to murder her unborn child. If that means that I can not vote for any candidate, then so be it. I refuse to knowingly attach my support to anyone who supports abortion on demand. Everyone has to make up their own minds and mine is made up! I will not compromise with the world on this!

Personally, I believe that God will not allow this national sin to continue - we, as a nation, will suffer the judgment of God. Then again, having either of the two pro-abortion candidates as president just might BE the judgment of God.

I find it unthinkable that Christians will not stand for life first and foremost. Why is it that Christians put $'s ahead of the unborn children. Not this Christian!