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Featured A Pastoral Letter to White Americans

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Zaac, Dec 15, 2014.

  1. Bro. Curtis

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    I showed this letter to Cynthia, my across the street neighbor. She's originally from gang-infested New Jersey, and is black, so she knows a thing or two about what blacks face in the city. She was laughing pretty hard. Of course, she isn't at my workplace, or church, so maybe she doesn't count ?

    Blacks do all the talking, whitey does the listening ?

    Baloney. Phooey. Garbage.
     
  2. Zaac

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    That's not what he said.

    That's not what he said.

    I see y'all hear quite well when you think you're being called prejudiced or racist. But you never want to listen to the why behind why people are saying that.

    That's dumb. If you're talking you certainly aren't listening in a manner that says you care what the other person is saying.

    Do you make it a point to talk when your boss is talking? Do you make it a point to talk when the pastor is talking on Sunday morning? I'll venture you sit back and listen so that you can clearly hear and try to understand what is being said.

    Hard to be heard when you're dead.

    Do yall even realize how much white privilege colors what we say? If somebody wants to incite, they are within their rights to do so. When black people are seeing other unarmed black people shot and killed by the police again and again and hearing the stories again and again and seeing the police officers go uncharged again and again, they have every reason to incite. That seems to be the only thing white people seem to take notice of and not so much because of their reasons for doing it, but because then some white people get to say again there they go acting like animals and thugs again.

    But you never hear white political conservatives talking about the incited riots that took place after Joe Paterno was fired. Nobody on the right mentions the incited riot of the Pumpkin Festival in New Hampshire this year. And gosh, let somebody's college football team lose, and all Hades breaks out.


    When you've been marginalized, you do what you need to do to be heard. In many cases, the white privileged perspective isn't expected to understand that because those with that perspective haven't experienced that reality.
     
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    Blacks are your boss, Scarlett. Shut up and listen. They're your pastor.

    This just gets stupider and stupider.
     
  4. Zaac

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    And you're saying the same thing that many Blacks are saying about Whites. But when they call out the bias of white privilege, white people get upset.



    Why would you expect anyone outraged at what has systematically been going on in the United States to not use inflammatory words? They're inflamed and outraged at a country who would dare speak to the acts of inhumanity around the world, to a church that would speak to the heinousness of abortion in this country, while being complicit in the systematic mistreatment and killing again and again of a segment of the population.

    So yeah. I don't fault them for using inflammatory language .

    What fact did he ignore and lie?



    Exactly. You shut down and stopped reading the same way a lot of white people do when a black person mentions anything to do with race. You marginalized what he had to say and thus didn't read it the same way that a lot of white people marginalize what Blacks have to say and just write it off as them being racist themselves or responsible for not acting right around the police.

    White privilege says that I must be the one to frame the conversation and it must be fostered in a way that I get to lead the discussion. But you weren't trying to have a discussion except for on your terms and within the parameters that you set.

    That does nothing but perpetuate the same air of privilege that existed when black people were slaves and told when they could speak and how they could speak.
     
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    Too much emotion going on and not enough sitting back and thinking about the statements in the quotes above.

    The statements reflect the perceptions of whites and blacks. It does not matter which stance you take. Whatever it is that is your perception. It does not mean you are right or that you are wrong. It means that is what you think at the moment and that is your personal bias.

    So, try to think about it from the other fellow's point of view and try to be constructive instead of screaming and point fingers.
     
  6. Zaac

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    Naah. You're just trying to incite.

    Noticeably your reading comprehension skills have seemingly gone from bad to worse.
     
  7. Zaac

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    :applause: And this is perhaps why he said to stop talking and all the other stuff and just listen for one minute. Take the time and listen and entertain the fact that though I may not be able to relate, and although it may not be my truth because it's not a reality that I've experienced, how can I dismiss them and say that what they experience everyday is untruthful and nonfactual?
     
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    I challenge you to go back to when Ferguson first happened and look at my posts. I did not condemn either party. When I saw the video of the 12 year old that got shot, I said the officer should lose his badge. I didn't know about the chokehold incident until after the fact, but I looked at it objectively and said the officer should not be tried for murder, but should be for misconduct.



    How is this biased? Looking at the facts and then deciding is the epitome of not being biased. I don't want to be one of those people who cry "I have black friends" in an effort to not appear racist. But I've served with black, white, Hispanic, asin,,etc.
     
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    My phone quit during that last post. My point is, find one quote where I condemned either black or white before the facts came out.



    "All I see is green" I used to tell my soldiers. I hold to that similar philosophy in the civilian world. All I see are people. No one is better, no one is worse.



    This is not a racial issue. If there is an issue, it is police vs citizens, not white vs black.
     
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    Why would I do that? What does what you said about Ferguson have to do with what we're talking about right now? I didn't say that you condemned anyone.

    I just said he should be tried. It didn't matter if it was misconduct, manslaughter or murder. But there should have at least been a trial. The prosecutors twice bypassed due process because they did not want to prosecute.



    It's biased because you're looking at a version of the facts. You're not necessarily looking at the truth. There's a difference. And there's enough of a difference that you hold a trial and let a jury decide.
     
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    Yes here I go again. Personal experience does define reality. You may not think that police officers are systematically killing black men, but their reality may say otherwise to them.

    And that has nothing to do with the systematic killing of unarmed black men by police officers. Is the same thing happening to white men?

    As I mentioned in anther thread

    As a general rule, nothing that white people do seems to get them shot by law enforcement.
    Not walking around in a big box store with semi-automatic weapons (though standing in one with an air rifle gets you killed if you’re black); not assaulting two officers, even in the St. Louis area, a mere five days after Mike Brown was killed; not pointing a loaded weapon at three officers and demanding that they—the police—”drop their f****** guns;” not committing mass murder in a movie theatre before finally being taken alive; not proceeding in the wake of that event to walk around the same town in which it happened carrying a shotgun; and not killing a cop so as to spark a “revolution,” and then leading others on a two month chase through the woods before being arrested with only a few scratches.

    I doubt you are a fan of that truth.
     
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    It shows that I don't automatically side with the white guy. It shows that I let reason prevail, instead of emotion.






    Facts are facts. There's no 'version' of facts. Fact = truth.



    Now, iI'll grant that there are some facts we don't know, and those unknown facts can skew our opinion. But it's the ignoring of facts that irks me. If the black community wants to show a "systemic execution", then they need actual wrongdoings as their banner. Ferguson is a prime example. People jumped all over it with "hands up, don't shoot" then it turns out he didn't have his hands up, and in fact assaulted the officer.



    If one is going to try and show more than mere coincidence, they need a LOT more of these coincidental occurrences. And they need more than raw data about how many blacks are killed by police each year. A more meaningful stat would be how many are wrongfully killed each year.



    I tell you what, Zaac, you show me numbers that say more black deaths are wrongful in direct proportion to the percentage of crimes they commit, and I will openly issue an apology and admit there's a problem.
     
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    Experience will never back down to argument.

    Perception will not back down to insults ... indeed it will only strengthen perception.

     
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    The idea that there is a systematic killing of black by police officers is nothing but delusional.
     
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