A Year or So Ago...

[Van]

Prior to 2021, many perhaps most, thought the Electric Vehicle venture was not really viable. Material was thought to be in short supply and the cost of electric vehicles could not compete with the cost of fossil fueled vehicles. However, as we look back on 2021, we see that parts of the USA are making a significant investment in electric vehicles. In Californian, nearly 25% of the new vehicles purchased were powered in part or fully by electricity. (Hybrids plus BEV's)

Plug-in electric car sales in California - Q1-Q4 2021

• BEVs: 176,357 (up 74%, market share of 9.5%)
• PHEVs: 61,261 (up 97%, market share of 3.3%)
• Total plug-ins: 237,618 (up 79%, market share of 12.8%)
• HEVs: 196,777 (up 74%, market share of 10.6%)
• Total xEVs: 434,395 (up 77%, market share of 23.4%)

 

[Salty]

IF people want them - fine
but we should NOT be make to only purchase a electric car

 

[Van]

IF people want them - fine
but we should NOT be made to only purchase a electric car

Mandates are the unlegislated preference of the party (DEMOCRAT) in power.

Conjectural arguments against electric vehicles rest on doom and gloom speculation.

 

[agedman]

Mandates are the unlegislated preference of the party (DEMOCRAT) in power.

Conjectural arguments against electric vehicles rest on doom and gloom speculation.

When they make an electric vehicle that can as far as my F150 without needing a recharge, and then when it does can be recharged as quickly as I can fill my truck tank, AND when total cost of maintenance over 20 years is less, AND the purchase price is much less then my current Ford 150, Then I might consider at least test driving one.

But by then, Texas won’t issue me a license except for a handgun.

 

[Salty]

https://tiremeetsroad.com/2021/05/2...-ford-lightning-on-a-regular-120-volt-outlet/

and then with a F-150 - if your are pulling - say a 10,000 load - how much extra electric will that take......

 

[Van]

Clinging to past fallacies is a vice of the aged. Some Jews cling to the Old Covenant and deny the New. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make the horse drink.

 

[Van]

https://tiremeetsroad.com/2021/05/2...-ford-lightning-on-a-regular-120-volt-outlet/

and then with a F-150 - if your are pulling - say a 10,000 load - how much extra electric will that take......

Not really an objective case against BEV's. First the miles per kilowatt hour is presented as less than 3 mile per kwh. Then the at home charging is 115 volt rather than 240 volt. A charging amperage of 12 amps, rather than 36 amps. So rather than charging at 1.4 kwh, the actual home rate would be more like 8.4 kwh. And the miles per hour of charging would be north of 25 miles.

 

[Revmitchell]

Clinging to past fallacies is a vice of the aged. Some Jews cling to the Old Covenant and deny the New. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make the horse drink.

whatever that means

 

[canadyjd]

IF people want them - fine
but we should NOT be make to only purchase a electric car

And the government shouldn’t subsidize the auto industry to produce them.

And what happens when people buying them to “save” the environment realize most of the electricity used to charge the vehicles come from fossil fuels.

Yikes!!!!

peace to you

 

[Salty]

And what happens when people buying them to “save” the environment realize most of the electricity used to charge the vehicles come from fossil fuels.

C man - when will you learn - don't confuse the libs with the facts!

 

[canadyjd]

C man - when will you learn - don't confuse the libs with the facts!

Yeh, I know. It’s all about getting credit for good intentions, even if what you do has the opposite effect of what you say you want.

peace to you

 

[Aaron]

Prior to 2021, many perhaps most, thought the Electric Vehicle venture was not really viable. Material was thought to be in short supply and the cost of electric vehicles could not compete with the cost of fossil fueled vehicles. However, as we look back on 2021, we see that parts of the USA are making a significant investment in electric vehicles. In Californian, nearly 25% of the new vehicles purchased were powered in part or fully by electricity. (Hybrids plus BEV's)

Plug-in electric car sales in California - Q1-Q4 2021

• BEVs: 176,357 (up 74%, market share of 9.5%)
• PHEVs: 61,261 (up 97%, market share of 3.3%)
• Total plug-ins: 237,618 (up 79%, market share of 12.8%)
• HEVs: 196,777 (up 74%, market share of 10.6%)
• Total xEVs: 434,395 (up 77%, market share of 23.4%)

That's because of government mandates and subsidies. But battery production and disposal (and replacement) will be a big, big deal before long.

And, of course, leaky batteries and battery fires.

We ought to be looking into solving the problems with hydrogen fuel. The oceans are filled with it, it's renewable, and burns absolutely clean.

 

[Aaron]

Clinging to past fallacies is a vice of the aged. Some Jews cling to the Old Covenant and deny the New. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make the horse drink.

Answering with lists of manufactured and irrelevant axioms is the rebuttal of _____________. (Fill in the blank)

 

[Van]

Big Oil seems to have succeeded in manufacturing an anti electric vehicle culture, at lease here among the posters. But the times, they are a changin...

 

[Van]

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We ought to be looking into solving the problems with hydrogen fuel. The oceans are filled with it, it's renewable, and burns absolutely clean.

The "hydrogen fuel" myth once again. Actually our Sun fuses hydrogen creating vast amounts of energy which solar panels can convert into electrical power to power BEV's.

 

[Aaron]

The "hydrogen fuel" myth once again. Actually our Sun fuses hydrogen creating vast amounts of energy which solar panels can convert into electrical power to power BEV's.

'Myth', huh? What do you do for a living, Van? (This oughta be good.)

 

[Van]

'Myth', huh? What do you do for a living, Van? (This oughta be good.)

If you have bought into the hydrogen myth, I doubt my knowledge of the subject will overcome your stance. I have been retired for more than 20 years.

 

[Aaron]

I have been retired for more than 20 years.

From what?

 

[Van]

From what?

I helped operate electrical power generating stations. I wrote and edited procedures, taught and evaluated employees, and helped manage the conduct of operations.

As far as knowing about Hydrogen as a fuel, one of the people I worked with was on the Federal Space Shuttle Challenger Accident Investigation Team. He headed a small group charged with determining the fundamental properties of Hydrogen. The question was "Could sufficient hydrogen leak out of the postulated "O" ring crack to cause the explosion?" Their answer was "yes" and the rest is history.

As I have posted before, I am no scientist but have worked with a few...

 

[percho]

We put a lot of faith in scientist.

BTW is that a fruit of the Spirit?