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Abortions before 1973

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  1. Revmitchell

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    So ripping a baby apart limb by limb is better in a doctors office than in an alley?

    How sick is that!

    How do we know 1.3 is acurate? Who says? What study and statistics show us this? Did you look at the links I provided?
     
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    Double post.
     
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    This could go on forever Rev. Is it better to do it in an alley? Do you really care about the babies? Did you look at the link I provided? Is it logical to say abortions went from 100,000 to 1.4 million in a year or is it logical to say they went from 1.2 to 1.4 in a year? Your source only states abortion related deaths. Facts show that abortion related deaths went down the year they were legal. But we are talking about the babies in this thread.
     
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    I did look at the link. I question the figures.

    What kind of sick logic thinks that we care more for babies if we slaughter them in a doctors office rather than an alley? And murderers should be imprisoned.
     
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  5. JerryL

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    Use your logic in taking in the numbers. You win, I refuse to argue with ignorance.
     
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    According to http://poodwaddle.com/clocks2.htm 28 MILLION have been aborted this yr!

    That is way more than 1.2 million a yr before 73...
    Go to the link above, and click on "death" and it will give you the figures...

    Then follow the links to find the sources...
     
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    Maybe it's just me, but I don't think I know of an honorable way to kill babies.
     
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    It's not just you.
     
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    Do you seriously think that 200,000 women didn't have abortions because it was illegal and that's it? That those were the only women who obeyed the law? I don't think so.

    I'm sure it was higher than 100,000 because, since it was illegal, we're never going to know the true number but 1.2 to 1.4 million is not nearly accurate either.


    Honestly, the argument that it's going to happen anyway so let's make it safe and legal doesn't float. How about let's make sure that druggies have good pure drugs and not the junk that's on the streets now that it's illegal and not regulated. Let's get the government involved and let THEM make good pure drugs with labels and everything. Then those who will go ahead and take drugs anyway have less of a chance of killing themselves. Hey - that's only ONE person involved in that one. How about rape? Men will rape women anyway so let's go ahead and make sure that we make nice clean rape centers with condoms and stuff so that it makes it safe for everyone.

    None of that seems to fly, does it?

    Abortion is 100% lethal to one of the patients.
     
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    That's what I'm saying. We need to come up with a solution to not kill them in the clinics OR the alleys. There has to be an answer better than just banning it. Basically the same number of babies will die. You people really don't care about the babies, just the legality of it.


    To Ann: Do you think it went from say a few hundred thousand then to 1.4 million in a year? The 1.2 figure flies more than just a few hundred thousand. Abortion is still going to be 100% lethal to one of them in an "alley" also. The other comparison arguments reak of ignorance on the subject.
     
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    You owe me an apology. That is about as offensive a statement as you could make.

    You have NO IDEA what I have done for "the babies." Trust me...I back my actions up.

    What a mean-spirited and untrue thing to say. Shame.
     
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    Not you personally rbell, by this logic I am hearing for two days now. "Make it illegal, no matter what." My point is that simply making abortion illegal doesn't solve the problem if they revert back to the allies. The point is, If we just focus on the simple banning of abortion and drive them back undergroud and roughly the same amount of babies die, do we really care about the babies or just the agenda of the politics?
     
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    I just posted on the other thread before I saw this one about a book I once had admitting the figures were inflated. I could not think of the name of it but found it. It's by Bernard Nathanson, who was involved in abortions before Roe v Wade and wrote the book, Aborting America:

    Source: http://www.straightdope.com/columns...0-000-women-a-year-die-from-illegal-abortions

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Nathanson
     
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    Marcia, the figures you are stating are the deaths of the mothers, 5000-10000. That is not the figures of the babies dying, which in '72 was 1.2 million, compared to 1.4 million in '73. Your figures mean nothing to this topic.
     
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    Not true that all illegal abortions were done in back alleys. Many doctors performed them even though it was illegal. It was mostly the poorer women who had the "back alley" abortions but the middle-class and up usually were able to find doctors to do it. From same link as above.


     
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    Still more irrelevance. They were still getting done at a rate of 1.2M a year, so why go back?
     
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    Sorry about the mix-up.

    http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cach...+aborted+before+1973&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
     
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    I think the 1.2M a year is what is being disputed here.
     
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    Yea he hasnt really provided anythign reliable on this.
     
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