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Acts 13 - New Testament Evangelism - shocking? Or everyone does it?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by BobRyan, Jan 26, 2018.

  1. Theodore A. Jones

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    Jesus Christ was murdered by crucifixion, and it was absolutely necessary for him to be murdered in order to perfect the Way for an individual's salvation. Why was it the absolute necessity that Jesus be murdered?
     
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  2. BobRyan

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    "God so loved the World that HE gave His Son..."
    It was the predetermined plan of God that Christ be the "Atoning sacrifice for our sins and not for our sins only but for the sins of the whole world" 1 John 2:2

    His was a "sin offering" according to Isaiah 53.

    He took the divinely specified/dictated penalty for each sin of each person in all of time - and paid "that exact amount owed" as calculated in God's system of measure -- suffering-and-torment owed for sin committed.

    The precise amount owed -- for all of mankind's sin in all of time.

    Romans 5 - In Adam all of mankind fell. Due to that transgression rebellion spread to all and thus all owe.

    But the Gospel solution never required "more sin" to fix it. The surgeon did not need "more cancer" to cure cancer. Cancer is not the "cure for cancer".
     
  3. Yeshua1

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    No, more like i do not into the text the teaching that we as being in the Church are still under jewish sabbath!
     
  4. One Baptism

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    Answer me, and I will answer you in so answering me [they will be simple yes/no questions]:

    Does the bible [KJB] use the phrase "Jewish Sabbath" anywhere in either OT [Genesis to Malachi] or NT [Matthew to Revelation]?

    Since most, incorrectly, think that sabbath keeping began with Moses, rather than with JEHOVAH from the beginning in Genesis, let us ask:

    Was Moses an Levite/Hebrew rather than a "Jew"?

    Was Aaron an Levite/Hebrew rather than a "Jew"?

    Was Miriam an Levite/Hebrew rather than a "Jew"?

    Were the mixed multitude "Jews" that came up out of Egypt with Moses and Israel [the peoples]?

    Was Moses' wife, Zipporah, a "Jew"?

    Were the other tribes of Israel, in the days of Moses, other than Judah, "Jews"?

    In the prophecy of Isaiah 56:1-8 [mentioned in the NT, John 10:16, 21:17, etc], were the "sons of the stranger" who were to take hold of the New Covenant, "keepeth the sabbath from polluting it", and have an "everlasting name", physically "Jews"?

    In Acts 13:42-44, did even the "Gentiles" come together on the "sabbath" to "hear the word of God"?

    In the prophecy of Isaiah 66:22-23, in regards the "new heavens" and the "new earth", wherein "from one sabbath to another", shall therein "all flesh" come to worship before God, is the "all flesh" only physically "Jews"?

    In Genesis 2:1-3; appropriated in Exodus 20:8-11, etc, did God [Elohiym], when finished with the work of creation, cease and then "rested" in "the seventh day", which was then "blessed" and "sanctified"?

    Was God then [Genesis 2:1-3] in the form of a servant, a man, or a Jew [from the tribe of Judah]?

    Jesus, in the NT, said that the "sabbath" was [past tense] "made" [at creation, not Mt. Sinai] for the "man" [man-kind], and was therefore not Adam [and thus Eve] the only "man" for whom the "sabbath" was "made", and so all man-kind in him [you, me and all]?

    Was the "man" [Adam] for whom the "sabbath" was "made" a physical "Jew"?

    Is the word "stranger" [gentile, of another nation than Israel] included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

    Are even the domesticated beasts of service and burden [Ox and Ass], included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

    Are even the "manservant" and "maidservant" [which could be of any nationality] included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

    In the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11, was it not the LORD God [YHVH, JEHOVAH Elohiym] who "rested" in the beginning of Creation, Genesis 2:1-3, and therefore is His [belonging to] Holy day [the seventh day and no other] in which He rested from creating/speaking, and thus blessed and sanctified the seventh day for the man, Mark 2:27-28?

    Since the Sabbath of the LORD God is in existence in the perfect creation in Genesis 2:1-3; utilized in Exodus 20:8-11, in the very Ten Commandments, and seen in the perfect life and example of Jesus, whose very daily life demonstrated the taking away of sin, which is transgression of the Holy Law of God [and Lucifer was cast out from there because of sin, and sin shall not exist therein ever again], part of the New Covenant in Isaiah 56, etc, and is again in the perfect New Creation of the New Heavens and New Earth, in Isaiah 66, wherein "all flesh" come to worship before JEHOVAH in every the Blessed Holy 7th day, the Sabbath of the LORD, are only physical "Jews" to keep it in redemption, or shall rather all who dress in the provided heavenly garments of salvation/redemption keep it [dress and keep]?

    In the NT Gospels, book of Acts and Epistles, did Jesus' true disciples and apostles ever cease from keeping the Sabbath of the LORD Jesus their God, since Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath, being His Blessed Holy day, from creation?

    In the NT, did Jesus ever rebuke those Jewish leaders who had loaded the sabbath down with traditions from their elders/fathers which nullified the Commandment of God to none effect?
     
  5. Yeshua1

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    All of the 10 Commandments were brought over and mentioned for us to keep still in the NT books, but why was the jewish Sabbath NEVER placed upon the Church?
     
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    There is more mention of the Bible Sabbath and believers keeping it... in the NT than there is of "Do not take God's name in vain" mentioned in the NT which is mentioned zero times in the NT

    So then since once again you merely "quote you" as the source-text and proof of your statements ... I will stick with the Bible on this one.
     
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    "made for mankind" Mark 2:27
    "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23

    Made at Creation week WITH Mankind "11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

    Gentiles specifically singled out for keeping the Sabbath Isaiah 56:6-8

    D.L. Moody and the "Baptist Confession of Faith" affirm the same details.
     
  8. Yeshua1

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    Problem is that there are ZERO verses that support God enforcing the Jewish Sabbath unto the Church!
     
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    You'd think that it would be Mentioned in Acts 15.

    He doesn't understand the difference between "Descriptive" and "Prescriptive" narration.
     
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    Very good point, as the Lord did not place that restriction back upon the gentiles who had been saved by Yeshua!
     
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