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Yes, this could be a problem. Have you been to many churches where you have personally witnessed this?

Along with this unanswered question, you didn't answer any of my points. Why should I answer your questions if you don't respond to mine?

Also, you did not provide examples of Preacherese.

 

Hey there bub,

You are speaking about things you know nothing of. Her husband is the pastor of a church that is planted by another church. I suggest you take you take your arrogance down the road and grow up. Attacking people over things you do not know the details of will not fly around here.

 

sounds like this is an area you excel in !

 

I thought your OP had some valid points (some are, although they'd have to be decided on a case-by-case basis), but reading the rest of the thread you really do come off as very abrasive. You expect people to listen to you when all of your responses to them involve taunting and ad hominem? You want people to address your arguments and not you, yet you do this tenfold in response to them?

 

They absolutely have a real job, and it furthers the gospel! It's the approach and the results that mostly are flesh and fall short.

Its not a super bad thing, people just dont know there is more. Paul thanked God for people who preached out of a faulty calling.
It is not a condemnation to say a preacher is not walking in the power when measured with Jesus' ministry. Its a challenge to reach the mark, Him.
If there are not miracles,
or reports of them, or talk of the possibilities coming, or anything supernatural like Jesus did, it aint authentic. It is a lesser substitute.

He just does not know the power available to his ministry. If a sincere seeker, once a pastor realizes that his methods lead him nowhere, he will get humble, throw away the latest method fad, and start to depend on Jesus to tell him what to say EVERY TIME HE SPEAKS.

When the PRO Trained Preacher denies himself, then, power will come.
The pro-preacher becomes a servant, not an occupation.
He will no longer send the mentally ill to the psychiatrist for talk and drugs
He will no longer think that doctors have replaced the Great physician
He will no longer dress the staff up as clowns and put on shows and banquets to gain the attention of teachable children, miracles alone will draw them in for miles!
He will no longer devise and strive for funding, God will provide and does not need man's business school
He will no longer pray so many unanswered prayers
His focus will always be on Jesus, not on sin
He will no longer list schools and certificates as proof God sent him, the signs speak for him

 

If it doesn't originate in his mind, he doesn't believe much of anything.

Just a heads up ...

 

So throw away the seminary degree, the study guides, concordances, lexicons, Bible dictionaries, and just wait for the Holy Spirit to give him the words?

Have I got that right?

Every pastor I've know, with one exception, exhibited the qualities of a servant anyway.

There are issues that require the training of these professionals who have a biblical perspective, and denying that is exceptionally naïve.

Ah, just lay hands on 'em and they'll all be cured, right? Works for Benny Hinn, doesn't it? Oh, sorry, bad example. Well, I'm sure you can give me a good example.

Laying aside the curious reference to clowns, shows and banquets, I'll note that this is the second time you've mentioned miracles. Perhaps you can share with us what kind of miracles you're talking about. I don't suppose the miracle of savlation through solid preaching would qualify?

Ah, so God will just instill he and the church leadership with the qualities of good stewards? They don't have to have any Earthly knowledge of finance, business practices, etc.?

And you know for a fact that all who pray outside a church like this -- like yours, I presume -- don't get those prayers answered?

That's the only thing you've said that actually makes sense.

" ... and wonders" no doubt.

 

The op has no valid points. the author has been brainwashed by the official house church movement. It is a rebellious movement and ungoldy.

 

And Mr. Plain_n_simple is woefully out of place in a Baptist forum.

 

I think they have some good points, from talking with home church advocates before. Although I'd agree that they're exaggerated.
But as far as concept goes...home church, traditional church...whatever works best for someone, y'know? Seems to me the idea of a home church doesn't have to necessarily be based on rebellion or hard feelings anymore than traditional churches are necessarily all talk and no action. I don't believe either are inherently wrong.

 

There is no problem with home churches but that is not the same thing as the official house church movement. I suggest you do some research on that. They despise preaching, church organization, church leadership etc. That is a huge theological problem. And what is worse they constantly characterize the traditional church in extreme rhetoric. Like this knucklehead in the op.

 

While I haven't read much on them, I have debated with one about it before and they brought all that up.

 

http://www.hccentral.com/

http://www.housechurchresource.org/

It is a rebellious movement and ungodly