AIDS and Romans 1:24-32

Still no sources, Bro. Curtis??? Why not?

 

Irrelevent! Finding,(placing) the blame gives the starting point to start the control process.

Is that not one of the first steps to control ANY epidemic outbreak? Find the source and squash the spread.

Don't attempt to make me feel guilty just because someone else is having to pay for his sins; and don't equate a demand for responsibility with lack of compassion! </font>[/QUOTE]That's horse hooey. Placing blame is placing blame, and nothing mroe.

 

The whole Aids thing is horriable. It hhs killed millions. Many people have lost their lives thru this disease. It is a plaque that is encompossing the Earth. Many more will die before and if a cure is ever found.

As Christians many times some want to place varying degrees on sin. The penalty for all sin is death. That is why Jesus took our punishment on the cross. We need to realize these folks are no worse than we where before we had an encounter with our Saviour.

In the early 80's the church was very hostile towards the gay community. We did not do a good job of outreach. They were driven away instead of pulled in. We are quick to condem and slow to show mercy and grace. We do things backwards many time. We need to realize not everyone knows who Jesus is!!!

I worked with a guy one time. I talked about some general Bible stuff and he did not have a clue what I was talking about. So, I explained to him about Jesus. This took place over about a month. I about him ready to hook and a guy told him he was going to hell. I lost that guy that night. We stayed friends but he always rememered what was said.

We gotta show His love!!! and not our attitudes.

 

You speak the truth, patrick. I can't tell you how many teenagers I know who have been forever turned off of Chfistianity because their only exposure to it has been jusgementalism and the "you're going to Hell" talk.

 

Yes, quite honestly, it is. I, for one, do not look forward to answering for the times I have done nothing, and have used some bigoted or hateful comment as an excuse to do nothing.

I wish for a world where people didn't consider it their Christian duty to place blame, ostracize, belittle, condemn, ignore, or hate in Jesus' name.

To this end, some of the posts in this and other threads simply depress me. We Christians have so much potential - we are, after all, ambassadors for the risen Christ, given authority to fogive sins, heals the sick, and preach salvation to the world - yet we waste our time sniping at one another and producing long threads where we discuss who is going to Hell "worse" than others.

 

Not according to Scripture, it isn't.

The wages of sin is death, right? Thus the personal results for any sin at all are the same.

The corporate results of sin are most telling, though. Adultery has a grave potential to destroy both participants spiritually, to destroy at least one marriage, to destroy the lives and futures of children of involved parents, and to destroy ministries and careers, among other things. Covetousness destroys the individual's relationship with God, because the item coveted becomes god. It has the potential to destroy families and homes as well, and can do untold damage if carried to its most extreme end - theft, blackmail, murder. Not honoring one's parents destroys the individual's relationship with God through the destruction of our Earthly example of that relationship. Families are torn apart, children grow up with a twisted idea of what love is (and thus what God's love is)... the list can go on ad infinitum.

Calling one "pet sin" worse than others is convenient... and ignorant.

Truer words have yet to be posted anywhere on this board.

 

1. You make too many assumptions without any basis in truth or evidence. You have no idea what I or anyone else have done to witness to homosexuals and others. You speak out of much ignorance.

2. As to your theory that if we were doing our job, then the world would be a better place, that is certainly not the case. Do you believe Noah did his job? Why did the world end up being destroyed then? Did he not warn them? How about Micah, Amos, Isaiah, and all the prophets? Did they not do their job? At some point, you need to stop condemning the messenger, and recognize that people's sin and rebellion is what led to their destruction, despite the warnings of the Church. Despite the warnings of Noah, the law, and all the prophets. As the rich man in Jesus' parable who was in Hell was told when he begged the Lord to send an angel to convince his brothers of their need for salvation, they have the law and the prophets, let them listen to them. If they don't, then even if an angel were to appear to them, they still wouldn't believe. The point is that just because the world is evil and getting worse does not mean that the Church is not doing its job. Your logic doesn't work here.

Joseph Botwinick

 

"Stop condemning?" Joseph, what a wonderful idea! Let's all try that for an hour, mmmk?

 

TP,

Do you have anything to add to the topic of this thread, or do you merely want to make snide and rude remarks toward me?

Joseph Botwinick

 

http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id321.htm

Also, on the "gay sex worse than other sins" idea, I believe Lot offered his daughters up for sexual sacrifice, and begged them not to touch the men that were in his house, so it would appear that homosexuality is a worse sin.

 

I don't believe Joseph is condemning. I believe he is pointing out some truths that some here won't accept now matter who says it.

 

Bro Curtis, just because Lot offered up his daughters means nothing of the kind. It means that he recognized the men as angels and knew they were Holy creatures...nothing more, nothing less.

 

I'm merely observing how many of us are quick to condemn others whose sins are "worse" than ours. If you decide to think this is a personal attack, I can't stop you from feeling so, even though it wasn't.

 

The world has always been against God. Joe when was the last time you shared your faith? People are still recieving the Word but we must be bold. The world only sees a church that is condeming them. We need to love the sinner. We need to show them the changing power of Christ the King of kings.

When the church started to dive into politics and quit focusing on the lost we missed the mark. The Bible teaches us God's word will not return void!!!! We can make exscuses are we can go to battle.

The church in America is dying on the branch. You look at outreach #'s and it is scary how many people don't care. I see it every day, people just do not have a burden for the lost. It is easier to say everything is their fault than to build a relationship and share the Good News.
Sin is sin and God sees it all the same. It seperates from God. We must be willing to go out and share of the wonderful reconciling love of the Saviour and quit sitting in our judgement seats.

 

Thank you for asking, Patrick. I share my faith every week. Further, God has used me to lead at least one homosexual to the Lord and out of his evil lifestyle.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I try to share the gospel and what God has done for me every day with at least one person, including relatives of both my wife and I who are homosexuals.

 

Is his life style more "evil" than a lier?

 

Patrick,

To whom is your post directed to? I have not addressed anyhting about degrees of sin, so I find it hard to think it is directed toward me. Have you read the whole thread? If not, may I please reccomend that you do so as I think it is quite interesting?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Yeah. Given Genesis 19, I guess it's a pretty cryptic book, and nobody is sure what it's really saying.....

Why didn't Lot offer one of his servants, if that's the case ?