"all have sinned"

Indeed... If Christ were born a "slave to sin" like the rest of humanity, He would not have been able to set sinners free. Slaves have no rights. It is only the free men (of which only one existed since the fall, and that one was Jesus Christ) who can work to free slaves.

Hbr 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.

Rom 6:1-18 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members [as] instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members [as] instruments of righteousness unto God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said that we were slaves to sin -- that the sin nature was in us from the beginning. It was through our "death", indeed the death of Jesus Christ imputed to us, that we are made alive in Christ and no longer slaves to sin.

 

There are several Pelagians on the issue of sin, and you are one of them. You are very sure of your position, unlike Tom, who you accuse, who is still working out his beliefs on this issue.

I fully expect that Tom, when confronted with the Scriptures, will modify his position to come into line with what the text says. You, on the other hand, have been repeatedly confronted with the Scriptures and remain confident in your Pelagian position, a position I noted about you very early on in my time on this board. You had a fit then, just as now, but you still cannot disavow your own incorrect stance, so there you stay.

 

The context is simple lashing out and kicking another person in the spleen. The individual who was kicked did not sin against the kicker. No other particular motivation.

Sin or not?

 

It's weird, if someone who actually had a clue said this to me, I might have need to take it seriously. But, when you say it, it just confirms that I'm on the right track. Your own track record, insults, attacks, false premises, Pelagian take on the human condition, et al, all work to negate anything that you have to say concerning the spiritual condition of others on this board.

That you cannot understand that in some places orthodox Christian belief and Roman Catholic belief are one and the same is your problem, not mine or anyone else's. You simply use the RC moniker as another weapon in your arsenal. Fire away... You simply indict yourself at every turn.

 

But the children of Abraham are individuals. And not all of them are physically descended from Abraham. Galatians 3.7-9:

Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed." So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.
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And in John 8.39 Jesus said to some Jews who claimed that Abraham was their father:

"If you were Abraham‘s children, you would do the works of Abraham."
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So I do not see how it can only have been Jews who were chosen before the foundation of the world.

 

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs: ".... And the truth shall set you free"

 

I did not say that. Of course He was fully human. Why do you blaspheme God at every turn just to win your argument?

Also, did you answer yes or no to my question above?

 

Of course I meant it in love. You too are redeemable.

You completely missed the point (again). I said that there are times when Roman Catholic doctrine matches orthodox Christian doctrine. They are not completely apart from truth or orthodoxy as many here would claim.

You, however, have very conclusively demonstrated Pelagian doctrine in your take on sin. I am not "badging" you with Pelagian beliefs. You are demonstrating by your posts that you hold Pelagian beliefs. No personal attack directed toward me will erase your own doctrines, so you can attack if you like, but it won't help your position.

Here is another definition of Pelagian belief. You match this definition perfectly as concerns original sin.

 

Again, where did I say anything at all like that? You are grasping at straws here and it is not helping you at all.