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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Aaron, Jan 26, 2020.

  1. Yeshua1

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    Whenever God grants a sinner new heart, its unto salvation in Christ, so God completes that which he started, so end result will be eternal life, period.
     
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    We don't get to put the period - Scriptures must do that. So how do you see God giving Saul a new heart? Does he have everlasting mercy then as the elect of God?
     
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    If you are lost, it is not my fault. I have explained how you misunderstand God's work with Saul and God's new covenant for the elect (the Israel of God). I have done my due diligence.
    You are consistently creating a presupposition and attempting to find verses, out of context, to prop up your presupposition.
    I reject your presupposition.
     
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    Your due diligence requires you to make clear your position - you first went one way over the giving of a new heart, then switched the opposite way. Which is why I ask what is your current position - do you see the giving of a new heart as pertaining to salvation in the OT as seen in Psa 51:10 and Eze 18:31? A simple yes or no would suffice to move along the argument - that is of course if you wish to continue.
     
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    My position is very clear. At this point you are playing a game of hide and seek. Game over. You lose. I am done.
     
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    It's sad when you think discussing the truths of God is a petty game where one wins and the other loses. It's very telling regarding your intentions to progress the discussion when you take the effort to write so many words instead of a simple yes/no to my earlier question. Have it your way. I do not wish to have the last word - so say what you will and let it be. I am however willing to engage the argument if you write anything to move it along.
     
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    Iv, you are trying to spin this game. Scripture has been shared with you. I have no need to beat a dead horse.
     
  8. utilyan

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    The next time you burn your toast, ask someone if they can burn it.

    The way you perceive God, Satan is out of a Job. #1 You made hims the most evil selfish being. #2 He already made you totally depraved, so there is nothing there to worsen when you are in your worst state.
     
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    "saved, but no eternal rewards!"

    LOL.

    The infatuation with power and obsession with immortality.

    You forget the part of the line that states a person is left WORST off then they started. Do we all start heaven bound then?
     
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    I couldn't take the exam, I couldn't fail, nor could I go to hell, without GOD's HELP.

    You seem to give the reprobate too much credit as being their own CREATORS. You speak of merit.

    Tell me one thing that ANYONE in the world merits, credits or is responsible for.

    Every sneeze is GOD GIVEN. If Scripture says God has withheld a natural capacity of man then you should have no problem stating it.

    You say God allows us only to break the rules.....why can't we break the rule of being required to be bad?


    God always gets what he wants....
    Tell us does God want and desire for you to sin today or tomorrow? <<<probably the most dodged Calvinist question of All.
     
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    God did nothing to me, as it was the fault of my spiritual father Adam to got me into my depraved sin natured state!
     
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    No, all of us start out on the Highway to hell!
     
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    You totally misunderstand God's Sovereignty to ask questions like these!
     
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    I have a question: what if I choose to not be a Calvinist or Arminian?

    Why do should I conform to one or the other?
     
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    "You gotta serve somebody"
     
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    A man can’t serve two masters...
     
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