America Under Judgment?

Since both violate scripture I don't think it's a blessing.

 

Christ took my judgement on the cross. He was already judged for me.

God may choose to bless the true church in America by taking away her trust in and dependence on the state. What a blessing to draw their attention back to Him!

 

No what some are saying is that the evil is going to increase by obama lifting the ban on partial birth abortion, lifting limits on other abortions, allowing 'doctors' to do surgical procedures on minors without parental knowledge or consent, and allowing homosexual marriage across the country. You can not for minute think God approves any of it.
Oh yes you can, you've been telling us that.
Wonder if he'll stop the wolf hunting.

 

You constantly ignor abortion and homosexual marriage, and gave your consent to them by voting to allow them.

 

You didn't answer my question, you don't know when your being blessed?
Isn't that odd?

 

While working in New Orleans after Katrina I heard many fellow believers (who were from NO) saying that it was a judgment from God on that wicked city. I had to call them back to the Bible and look at clear passages where God judged or was about to Judge a nation or a city. The book of Jonah and other books by OT Prophets are the primary texts in this regard. One thing you will notice is that when God was about to pass judgment on a nation or a city He always sent a Prophet to call the people back to repentance and to be saved from His wrath.

Where was the Prophet of God in NO right before Katrina? Where was the Prophet of God in America right before the election? Who was crying out "Thus says the Lord, repent of your sins and return to ME for I AM the Lord thy God"?

 

The prophet of God was there when George Bush said that Muslims and Christians worship the same god and that Muslims will go to heaven by a different path. The final blow was when the church ignored or applauded his words because he's a Republican. There is judgment brought about George W. Bush.

 

I totally agree. :tear:

 

Either God had already pronounced His judgment on the Amorites before sending Israel to Egypt, meaning while Israel was among them they were warned to repent (which appears to be the case), or the Bible is silent about what God did among them while Israel was in Egypt. When the Bible is silent we should not assume to know what was happening.

 

Just can't seem to let it go can ya? I spoke out against him on this issue. Likewise, I know plenty of Christians who were outraged over that statement and plenty who voiced their concern not only here but in writing to the White House. So your accusation that "the church ignored or applauded his words because he's a Republican," is a false charge.

Finally, where was the Prophet of God crying out "Thus says the LORD..." as you suggest? Does President Bush being wrong in his Theology, in the respect, make all of America guilty and deserving of God's judgment? I don't think so. However, this is not the same thing as American Christians willingly voting for a man who openly and knowingly supports the murder of babies and homosexual marriage/civil unions (semantics) etc.

 

OKay - I consider it a great blessing if God chooses to honour Hus church with the joy of suffering for Him by having a government that is less than friendly or even opposed to the church. After all, that is what the word of God told to to rejoice in.


On the other hand - I will play aling with the contention of this thread.

The question is, why do so many confuse ease of living with the blessing of God?

No one here has a clue about whether God is going to judge America of not.If anything the judgement began long ago. Abortion was legal and rampant long before Tuesday night. G@y marriage was already at the fore-front. The current administration already stood behind same secks legal unions. The current admin appointed the first openly g@y US ambassador (to Romania). The current president already believes that all roads lead to heaven. The economy was already in a shambles.

Looks to me like God may have long ago written "Ichabod" over America's door and that now we are suffering the natural repercussions. Does America deserve God's blessings? Might we say, instead of God bless America, God judge America for her long record of ignoring Him? Don't worry - God will judge, but He doesn't have to tell us when and how He will do it.

 

You need a hobby.

 

So you support my contention. Good.

 

You might want to go back and make sure your statement here is accurate. I can find no substantiated reference where Obama "supports" the murder of babies, nor where he supports homosexual marriage/civil unions. His stand on the latter issue was identical to that of McCain, who supports civil unions for the purpose of insurance benefits, retirement and social security benefits and choice in the event of incapacitating illness or death. Obama's view is that abortion should be reduced through programs that help women with relief from circumstances leading to their choosing to keep their babies, or give them up for adoption, rather than making criminals out of those who perform or authorize them. We will spend a whole lot more money on prosecution and imprisonment in the case of the latter than we would on the former.

And I have trouble with politicians who give lip service to being pro-life, but who take no action and refuse to use the power they have been given to enact legislation that will stop the practice. Bush chose John Roberts as chief justice, whose view on Roe v. Wade is essentially that it is the "settled law of the land" and put him in the position to be the swing vote on the court to keep it from being overturned, as well as being the doorway to block the few cases that came their way to challenge it. Before appointing Alito, he tried to put one of his cronies on the court. And what has McCain ever done about the issue except vote to confirm three justices now on the court who are all pro-choice? Bush was elected twice because he managed to convince his supporters he would end abortion on demand. His best effort was a ban on partial-birth abortion, which the court upheld by citing the fact that the ban did not violate the Roe decision. That pretty much established the fact that this court is not interested in overturning it. So how much longer will the gullible be duped by this argument, or by the distortions of the views of the candidates on the other side?

If America is under judgement, it did not just happen because Obama was elected. It's been under judgement for quite some time, if this issue is the standard being used to make that determination. Distinguished preachers like Jerry Falwell, D. James Kennedy and James Dobson, among many others, are on the record as saying so, along with a number of pastors and church leaders who post here. There were plenty of posts here declaring that 9-11 was God's judgement on America's sin. Of course, that is contrary to what the Bible says, but when conservative Baptists are trying to make a point, their belief in the Bible's inerrancy and infallibility becomes somewhat inconvenient. We are all under judgement for sin, which is why we need grace and the redemption through the blood that comes with it.

That kind of thinking sort of makes criticism of Jeremiah Wright hypocritical, doesn't it?

 

Better go back and re-read all my posts in this thread. I'm not arguing that the US is under God's judgment because of the election (helloooo). I was just pointing out the differences in the two sides of BaptistBeliever’s once again failed attempt at making a legitimate and accurate comparison.

 

Sorry--I got you confused with another poster.

 

All is cool.