Andersonville Seminary

Welcome back, indeed. Praying for your speedy recovery. BTW did you go with the pump or not the pump? I'm kind of curious about the CABG. I have some cardiac issues myself.

 

UZThD,

The posture of your response is disturbing. I apologize if I am taking your post the wrong way, but you are attacking this man without provocation. You are making assumptions about his motivation and this is unfair. He constantly explained why he took the route he did. It is possible that he didn't know about other routes. He is now very far into the program and needs to decide if he is going to finish or pursue an accredited degree, but that is no reason to attack his motivations. J_Barner please continue to pursue God's will and I'm sure everything will work out fine. God Bless.

 

J Barner and Brother Ian,

I agree with Brice. Just continue to be faithful. I applaud both of you for wanting to continue your biblical training. The Lord will tell you to stay with Andersonville or find another school. I cannot second guess your motivations on this particular issue- omniscience is not an attribute that was given to me the moment of my conversion. Regardless of the school of choice- both of you are co-laborers in ministry and I pray the Lord continues to bless your ministries.

 

Sorry, Brice and hvnhlpr, but UZThD has hit the nail on the head. He's not making assumptions or questioning motivation. All he has done is to take what J_Barner has written in previous threads and responded to them. It is more loving to speak the truth bluntly than to offer comfort to those who continue down the wrong path.

We've bought so much into the secular "I'm okay; you're okay," that responding truthfully is somehow out of bounds for a Christian. An Andersonville degree is worthless as a degree. The only people who think otherwise know nothing about theological education. UZThD is right---if you only want the "education," buy the tapes and texts.

Many of us could have gone the Andersonville route and been called "Doctor," but we knew it would be a sham. No, UZThD is right. Most who do Andersonville programs cannot be accepted into credible programs because the requisite degrees come from non-credible programs.

Let's not be like the false prophets of the OT and cry out "Peace! Peace!" where there is no peace. This is not a matter of personalities; it's a matter of truth.

Some folks get sucked into the Andersonvilles of the theological world unwittingly. However, once they are confronted with the truth, then their response reveals their motivation or hard-headness.

If someone wants to debate the worthiness of Andersonville (yet again), please start another thread with that intent. Andersonville is easy to assess just by looking at its faculty and requirements.

To Bill G.: I can see that you've recovered enough to see issues clearly. May God continue to restore you to good health and bless your ministry at Faith.

Blessings,
Bill

 

Welcome back, indeed. Praying for your speedy recovery. BTW did you go with the pump or not the pump? I'm kind of curious about the CABG. I have some cardiac issues myself. </font>[/QUOTE]===

I believe I was on the pump. My doc has read on the issue and questions the validity of the research which attempts to correlate neural losses to using the pump. He pointed out that there can be some difficulty in attaching bypasses to a beating heart.

I came out of the IC unit quickly and remember pointing to the tube down my wind pipe pipe and motioning for them to remove it. I had good focus and in a couple of days was rereading Martin Chemnitz' The Two Natures of Christ.

I REALLY had several very bad nights. They kept two tubes in my chest for twp nights and one up my penis into the bladder for draining for four nights. About 5PM one night the nurse began a drip using one of the catheters in my wrist area. Unknown to her the catheter was bad. The liquid instead of going into a vein was dispersing under skin. I woke up 2 hrs later with a terrible burning in my arm which lasted for 6 hrs.

Oh well, I don't know how many times I have God in the last 6 days when as it usually happened something was done right.

My good brethren: I hope this not an improper comparison . But I wonder if not only does Christ in His humanity share our frailty and understand us , PRAISE GOD, but in our greatest physical trials we understand better what He has suffered by pain in His humanity FOR US !


Bill

 

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I 'm sorry that you are disturbed because I disagree with Ian over ATS. But your being disturbed has absolutely no bearing on the issue of the quality of the ATS ThD.

I don't believe I am attacking Ian. But I am attacking what passes at Andersonville for a ThD program. It is deceptive and it is a disgrace!

Ian asked for a response. I gave him mine as one who knows quite a bit about higher Christian Ed. If you don't like it, oh well.

 

As a Bachelors student at Andersonville I have found the program to be outstanding. The teachings of JESUS were viewed as wrong in HIS time. Andersonville is not for everybody but neither is Harvard or Yale. If the LORD leads a person to Andersonville then who are we to question the decision to enroll there. Accreditation can be a very political process. One of the institutions which the Rev. Billy Graham attended was not accredited when he was there. This has not in any way hindered the theology of Rev. Graham. When I was in prayer regarding an institution to enroll in, I saw problems with many of the distance learning schools supported by many of this Board. While considering all factors, I believe a person should allow the LORD to be the final determining factor in which program to enroll in.

 

FYI for all, not that it matters. . . I am pursuing a D.Min., not a Th.D. at Andersonville.

The D.Min. is distinguished from a Doctor of Philosophy or Doctor of Theology in that it focuses specifically on excellence in practical ministry rather than academic research and languages.

I am certain there is backlash to follow.

Bill, I am happy that all went well, I prayed for you the morning of the surgery.

Ian

 

My complaint against Andersonville has nothing to do with "the teachings of Jesus" being acceptable or not. The quality of work required is the issue.

If you do your bachelor's through Andersonville, you will find no credible graduate program accept your work. At the very best you may be accepted on probation, but most will not acknowledge your diploma.

Again, a school which Billy Graham attended has nothing to do with Andersonville. Are you talking about Bob Jones? Bob Jones has always been seen as credible, accredited or not, with rare acceptions. Comparing Andersonville with Bob Jones is like comparing a pen light with a flood light.

I always love the "if the Lord leads me, then who are you to question that" argument. Evangelical feminists use the same argument, as well as homosexuals who claim a call to the ministry. How do you know the Lord led you to Andersonville? I find it hard to believe that the Lord led you to an inferior program for training to do His work. There are quality distance education opportunities out there, but Andersonville is not one of them.

Also, this has nothing to do with accreditation. There are highly credible non-accredited programs.

No, the issue is legitimacy. I do have less of an issue with Andersonville's offering a bachelor's degree than I do with its offering a grad degree, especially a doctorate. My concern for you is that if you do post-bachelor work, it will have to be at a non-credible institution.

Why did you choose Andersonville for your foundational degree? Why not Luther Rice Bible College, where you could earn an accredited degree?

Bill

 

ITS tapes are accredited

You will notice in the list below, Denver, Gordon-Conwell, Dallas Theological Seminary (Their site was where I first learned about ITS)
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Now A DMin or ThD or PhD should not have very many classes from the MDiv level applied to the doctoral level (usually 3 is the number I see referenced)

 

Bill

I have had several graduate schools tell me that they will not accept LRS (Luther Rice) either.

 

Martin

Wish you would make the comparison for us.

 

AMEN!

 

I would pray that he has decided to give his life to the ministry of reconciliation to honor Christ ... But, then again maybe he hasn't ...