Another question about Duck Dynasty

[Baptist Believer]

From my research, there really doesn't seem to be much reason to get kids or other Christians enthused with this group of baptismal regeneration teachers.

Can you point me to a link or information that demonstrates that this congregation believes that baptism is essential for salvation?

I don't know if you know this, but the so-called "Church of Christ" view of the essential nature of baptism is not uniform throughout the Church of Christ movement. Many Church of Christ congregations believe the same as Baptists in this regard.

 

[Aaron]

Is someone really violating your right of “free speech” if they’re not using the power of the state to censor you? What if they’re “only” trying to get you fired, shamed out of public life, universally reviled, and left as a laughingstock — all without taking even a moment to address the conservative’s underlying argument? To some, that’s just a battle of free speech (conservative comment) versus free speech (lefty efforts to ruin your life), and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to be reminded of the law, thank you very much.​

http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...h-palin-and-mark-steyn-are-right-david-french

 

[Aaron]

From my research, there really doesn't seem to be much reason to get kids or other Christians enthused with this group of baptismal regeneration teachers.

By the same reasoning, why would Christians have gotten worked up over a bunch of heretical, unbelieving Jews suffering in Germany and elsewhere.

Next time your rights are trampled, [which may be a while as you are a screaming liberal and would be allowed with impunity to slander, assault and otherwise intimidate those with whom you disagree] we'll let you rot because of some error in your teaching.

:thumbs:

 

[InTheLight]

Can you point me to a link or information that demonstrates that this congregation believes that baptism is essential for salvation?

I'm 99% certain he won't do so. Zaac never answers questions, never provides proof of his assertions. We'll see.

 

[Zaac]

Can you point me to a link or information that demonstrates that this congregation believes that baptism is essential for salvation?

I don't know if you know this, but the so-called "Church of Christ" view of the essential nature of baptism is not uniform throughout the Church of Christ movement. Many Church of Christ congregations believe the same as Baptists in this regard.

In the words of their White's Ferry COC Elder Mike Kellet:

Baptism is not the finish line, but the starting line. It’s new birth. You see, there’s a lot of growth that’s going to take place. Baptism is that new birth. The born again of the water and spirit. And so this happens by God’s grace and now we’re going to grow in that grace and we’re going to learn to become like Jesus.

Now look…if you think all of a sudden that you know my…and I realize I sinned, I messed up, I…I…I need to be baptized. I want to run down there because I want to be baptized. I know if I’m baptized everything in my life will get better.

Well, I got news for you. Look, it makes your…it makes eternal life in good shape. Your past is taken care of. Your going to have help for the present. You’ve got a future for you hopefully, but look. Look. Baptism cleanse you from your sin, but baptism doesn’t drown the devil. Got it?

http://hereiblog.com/duck-dynasty-s...tm_campaign=Feed:+hereiblog/XMYK+(Here+I+Blog)

The Robertsons have taken their message on the road; Alan and Phil Robertson filled in for Rick Warren at Saddleback Church, sharing about the patriarch’s alcoholic past and marital troubles.

Decrying the state of the nation, Phil Robertson suggested “if the founding fathers of this country could see how degraded American morality has become, they would hang their heads in shame.”

In his best-selling book, “Happy, Happy, Happy,” he wrote: “Our founding fathers started this country and built it on God and His Word, and this country sure would be a better place to live and raise our children if we still followed their ideals and beliefs.”

The Robertsons attend White’s Ferry Road Church of Christ in West Monroe, La., part of a “Restoration Movement” fellowship of 13,000 U.S. congregations that generally teach that baptism by immersion at the “age of accountability” is integral to salvation.

Phil Robertson told The Christian Chronicle that he and his sons Alan and Jase preach the same message of faith, repentance and baptism wherever they’re invited. At Saddleback, Phil Robertson emphasized the importance of baptism.

http://www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/2013/08/22/duck-dynasty-success-thrives-on-christian-stereotypes

And as the church continues to back them and give them a larger platform, they continue to spread this false teaching to more and more:

Even before "Duck Dynasty," Phil Robertson developed a wide following for his powerful, revivalist-style gospel preaching. He talks about ducks. He shares Jesus.
As the show has gained popularity, though, crowds once in the hundreds have swelled into the thousands, Kay Robertson said.

Phil Robertson said he and his sons Al and Jase preach the same message of faith, repentance and baptism wherever they're invited.

"We don't have godly people and followers of Jesus owning the channel that we're on or filming what we do," Phil said. "So what you see (on TV) is a functional, godly family, but there's not a whole lot of Gospel and Bible verses.

"However, the audience ... can be reached in other ways than the TV show," he added. "We're going to be making a Robertson family tour. You'll see the real family when you get us in some arena somewhere and it's just us telling people the good news of Jesus.
"People just have to realize that there's more than one way to skin a cat."

http://manassaschurch.manassaschurch.com/index.php/articles/church-news.html?start=56

But of course none of this matters to some as they will ignore what has been said and still attempt to justify since they aren't "preaching that on the show.

But expanding their platform on the show expands their platform off the show to preach their lies.

It's the same reason why the church should not have backed a Mormon candidate for President.

JW Marriott Thanks Romney for Bringing Attention to Mormonism

BOSTON — The head of the prominent Marriott hotel chain and fellow Mormon J.W. Marriott thanked Mitt Romney today during a Mormon church service for bringing “positive attention” to the religion, which is often considered to be shrouded in mystery.
“There has never been as much positive attention to the church, thanks to the wonderful campaign of Mitt Romney and his family,” Marriott said during a service at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Wolfeboro, N.H., the lakeside town where the Romney family has a home.
Marriott’s remarks come after a noticeable shift in the campaign to highlight Romney’s faith, a subject that has been rarely spoken about publicly by the candidate and his wife until last week, when both mentioned Mormonism in their speeches at the Republican National Convention. Additionally, several speakers arranged by the campaign to appear at the RNC highlighted the candidate’s strong ties to his faith.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...s-romney-for-bringing-attention-to-mormonism/

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Can you point me to a link or information that demonstrates that this congregation believes that baptism is essential for salvation?

I don't know if you know this, but the so-called "Church of Christ" view of the essential nature of baptism is not uniform throughout the Church of Christ movement. Many Church of Christ congregations believe the same as Baptists in this regard.

He hasn't bothered to look it up and see if they believe in baptismal regeneration or not. Likely doesn't even know what church the Robertson's belong to.

As it happens, they belong to White's Ferry Road Church of Christ in Monroe. There are conflicting blogs and other Internet statements regarding whether WFR teaches baptismal regeneration. I suspect one would have to go to the pastors and ask them directly, since so many people seem to want to claim knowledge of what they teach but the church website has no evidence on it of believing baptismal regeneration. The statement of faith reads:

We are a body of believers saved by the grace of the one true God, shown through the gospel of his Son Jesus Christ when he became flesh (John1:1, 14) died on a cross (Romans 5:5-8) rose from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:20) and ascended back to the Father on our behalf (Hebrews 4:14-16). Because we are saved, we make every effort (though sometimes feeble) to bring glory to the One that rescued us (Colossians 1:13) from the curse of sin and gives us hope on this earth and beyond this earth. We believe we have the greatest mission (Matthew 28:18-20) to share the greatest message (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) in the context of the greatest command (John 13:34-35).

But Zaac didn't bother to look any of that up, even though it took me only three minutes to find a CofC church in Monroe and make a connection to the Robertsons through it.

 

[Zaac]

He hasn't bothered to look it up and see if they believe in baptismal regeneration or not. Likely doesn't even know what church the Robertson's belong to.

As it happens, they belong to White's Ferry Road Church of Christ in Monroe. There are conflicting blogs and other Internet statements regarding whether WFR teaches baptismal regeneration. I suspect one would have to go to the pastors and ask them directly, since so many people seem to want to claim knowledge of what they teach but the church website has no evidence on it of believing baptismal regeneration. The statement of faith reads:



But Zaac didn't bother to look any of that up, even though it took me only three minutes to find a CofC church in Monroe and make a connection to the Robertsons through it.

You don't know what Zaac bothered to look up so speak for YOU and not me.:thumbsup:

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

You don't know what Zaac bothered to look up so speak for YOU and not me.:thumbsup:

Yes I do, because if you could prove your "point" without fear of being contradicted by the other articles on the web countering it, you'd have posted it a long time ago. So nice try, Zaac-a-doodle, but you once again turn in an epic fail.

 

[Zaac]

Yes I do, because if you could prove your "point" without fear of being contradicted by the other articles on the web countering it, you'd have posted it a long time ago. So nice try, Zaac-a-doodle, but you once again turn in an epic fail.

You're a bit on the crazy side if you think saying you speak for me actually means you speak for me. Yep right back to the IGNORE file.:smilewinkgrin: