Originally posted by michelle:
Peace and love to you in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!
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gb quoted:
I am convinced that you do not believe God. You don’t even belieev the KJV. For if you did you would heed what is written in Proverbs, Romans, 1 Cor and 1 Peter. You have rejected the gifts that God gives among the body of believers. You have rejected the part where God lists and explains the function of them in the body. You have rejected the body of Christ and set a standard to yourself. You have made a idol as your standard and the idol is you. You have put yourself in a very dangerous position to set your self as your own standard. You listen to nobody except yourself. You are clearly not open for reproof as Proverbs12:1 says, "Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish." You have rejected Prov. 15:32, “He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.”
Show us your understanding by your attitudes and actions. Show us the evidence of your study and by countering what we have written with facts not an exercise of jargon.
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gb,
Correct me if I am wrong here, but did you just question my faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and my salvation? I have not done this to you, nor anyone else.
Secondly, my reproof comes from the the scriptures. No man has the authority to reprove me outside of the scriptures. Where have I not listened to God's instruction in the scriptures, to what you accuse me of? Are you speaking of the instructions of man? They are not, nor you are not my authority. The scriptures are my authority. Show me please what scriptural instructions I have not listened to? And to what gifts are you referring? Please explain all your accusations of me more specifically, because I am at a total loss here.
I do not need to be open to man, but open to what God has and does say. Where have I not obeyed God? What, because I do not agree with you on this issue? Don't you all claim this is what the KJVO's do to you?
Your side must also provide facts, and more importantly scriptural facts to your position, which has not been done.
love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
I never questioned your salvation. I questioned your attitude. Would those you hang around with questions someone’s salvation if they disagreed with them? Sounds like that’s what you are used to. I never even thought of that ever once with you. So why would you think of that? Where did that come from? Your church or the people you associate with? Again that reminds me of Romans 2:1.
You have every right in the world to disagree with anyone you want. But you have an attitude of judgment as I pointed out in one of your posts. I even quoted you and referenced Romans 2:1. How can I correct anyone who will not listen? God does even do that. If we will not listen to others whom God is trying to use then He will use another method. “He who hardens his heart after much reproof will be broken beyond remedy.” You need to learn to eat a little humble pie. One of the moderators has tried to tell you something. Several of the other posters have tried to tell you a few things. Yet you have come back with rebuttal when you should have just listened carefully. Even if you thought you were right others felt as though you were wrong.
Yes, I reproved you with scripture. You don't listen and you have not listened again. If you will read back through as number of posts you will find that numerous numbers of people have tried to tell you something. Yet you have come back with the Holy Spirit told me or some other erroneous nonsense without facts. That's not scripture but a subjective appeal. Not long after I posted you came back with your posting. You should take some time and do some reading and try to study the challenges that have ben presented to you Your holy spirit is not the Holy Spirit but your own spirit. Your using the Holy Spirit as a scapegoat for not studying and as an excuse for your ignorance. A wise man has many counselors. Are you that wise that you don’t need to be taught or counseled. Only a unwise person would say that they don’t need the encouragement of others. Only an unwise person would not acknowledge Hebrews 3:13 and 10:24, 25.
Convince me otherwise about the books you have read and studied on the subject of Bible translation, hermeneutics and languages. Convince me of your knowledge by sharing it. Give us the knowledge you have and let us challenge it while you challenge us with your facts of knowledge. Emotional jargon just doesn’t make it. Your pastor might do that and call that okay but people who see through that know different.
I cannot think of a single time you have listened to anyone who has disagreed with you. Your responses have shown a contempt for their position and sometimes them personally. You have not intelligently come back with facts that would prove me or anyone else wrong. This is not totally about debate but about the truth. It is the truth that frees. It’s not about winning but about knowing God better. You have ignored the facts others have given you. You have responded in hostility to the moderator when he snipped some of your posting. I have had that happen to me too. But just move on. Right or wrong it doesn’t matter. That is the moderators choice not yours or mine.
We can disagree as much as we like. But when someone refuses to intelligently discuss the issues it makes little sense to continue on with that kind of person. That’s not dialog and debate
I have not seen a Prov. 27:17 attitude on your part. Talking to you kind of reminds me of the discussions I have had with the Mormon missionaries who have come to my house who just turn on the hose and then when I ask them a few questions they don’t know what to say and leave. They talk with me as though they are just there to turn the hose on and if I don’t accept their presentation they just leave. They are not interested in examining the facts.
I do not need to be open to man, but open to what God has and does say.
Are you so knowledgeable that you don’t ever need a counselor or teacher? If you are then you are denying the giftedness of the body. You are saying that you are above them. You are saying that in effect you are God, when God says clearly that you need the body. You are argumentative and not willing to entertain the possibility that you could be wrong. I would bet that there is not one person who has posted that could not say they haven’t grown over time. But that means at one time we were proven wrong and changed direction as a result.
Your side must also provide facts, and more importantly scriptural facts to your position, which has not been done.”
I’ll throw that back at you. Show me one example from scripture where any writer would support a KJVO posititon as you do, then I will join you. I cannot think of one case where translation was even an issue with any of the writers of scripture.
All along I thought the issue was about KJVO and modern translations.
There are several reasons why the KJVO position is heretical:
1) The fruit of many who hold the KJVO position is divisive.
2) It promotes double inspiration.
3) It denigrates other translations of which there are thousands.
4) It goes against what even the KJV translators believed.
5) It seeks itself and seeks to disrespect those who have sought to get us a sound Bible free of notes that were once in the margin and later in the text. It is a life of gossip. Gossip is tearing someone down whether it be true or not. Too often they build themselves up at the expense of others. They set themselves as the standard while in fact they are really ignorant and don't even know it.
It is plain and simple a life of heresy. Like Billy Graham wrote, “"During this holy but hard time, letters to Ruth were my safety valve. In the intimacy of our partnership in the ministry, as well as our mutual love and respect, I could express myself to her as to few others. I smarted under grievous criticisms from fundamentalists, and I minced no words in telling her how I felt: '" Some of the things they say are pure fabrications....I do not intend to get down to their mud slinging and get into endless arguments and discussions with them....We are too busy winning souls to Christ and helping build the church to go down and argue with these ... publicity seekers.'" "I continued in the same vain: '"If a man accepts the deity of Christ and is living for Christ to the best of his knowledge, I intend to have fellowship with him in Christ. If this extreme type of fundamentalism was of God, it would have brought revival long ago. Instead it has brought dissension, strife, and has produced dead and lifeless churches."' (Just As I Am: The Autobiography of Billy Graham, page 251)
