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Are Physical Jews Extinct?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by robycop3, Aug 18, 2018.

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    There's a false doctrine going around that there are no actual physical Jews, descendants of Judah, Benjamin, or Levi, left. One branch of this doctrine says those who claim to be Jews are actually "Ashkenazim". Yes, there ARE Ashkenazim masquerading as Jews, but there are also many REAL Jews. Otherwise, Scripture would be incorrect, as God said He would restore both Judah and Israel , make them one nation again, & make them great.

    Here's the origin of the Ashkenazi - Gen 9:27 May God enlarge Japheth, And may he dwell in the tents of Shem; And may Canaan be his servant.”

    Yes, GOD prophesied the rise of the Ashkenazi., and He also spoke of their "fate", those who don't accept Christ, that is -

    Rev. 3:
    9 Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.

    So, God WILL separate the REAL Jews from the Ashkenazim when the time comes. Right now, it's hard to do as most Jews have lost their genealogies. However, a good number can trace theirs back to Roman days when the Ashkenazi were a small minority.

    BUT LET NO ONE BELIEVE THE REAL JEWS ARE EXTINCT! THAT'S AGAINST SCRIPTURE!
     
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    There are ethics in addition to those who chose to claim to be Jews . There are also many who do not know their heritage
     
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    I have asked several Jews, which tribe they are - often they do know!
     
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    The dispensationalist references in the OP have no pertinence as to whether physical Jews are extinct. I doubt very much that there are completely pure Jewish bloodlines that can trace themselves back to Old Testament Israel. Most ethnic groups are a mixture, although I do not doubt that there are Jews that can trace part of their bloodline back to ancient Judaism. The real question is whether there needs to be a distinct Jewish ethnicity given that Paul said, "For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter" (Romans 2:28-29b).
     
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    God said He's gonna restore both Israel & Judah as one nation again, & make it great. Therefore, there MUST be literal Jews & Israelis.

    I agree there are likely no Jews that have a pure bloodline clear back to Judah, Benjanin, or Levi themselves, but there are certainly many whose blood is LARGELY of one of those men.

    There were quite a few Egyptians, Midianites, & others who left Egypt with Israel in the Exodus, Later, the Jebusites of Jerusalem were absorbed into the Jews, and in NT times Timothy's fathjer was a Greek.

    And who knows who all is mixed into the other ten tribes?

    I believe that after so long, God allowed some mixing to occur, lest the Israelis become as the population of Pitcairn Island. While they began as at least twelve families after the mutiny on the Bounty, they now have a low fertility rate, & certain inherited diseases are becoming more-prevalent.

    For several generations after Jacob's 12 sons, their descendants married spouses from the countryside til the Exodus, when God ordered them to marry within their own tribes. This didn't last forever, as evidence is strong that Rahab of Jericho married Nahshon, leader of Judah, Ephraim & Manassah were largely of Egyptian blood thru Joseph's Egyptian wife, Even Jesus' human side has Moabite blood, as David's great-grandma was Ruth the Moabitess.

    But GOD knows who the Jews & Israelis are, & so will we in due time.
     
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    Yes. And virtually all Jews surnamed "Cohen" are Levites; "Cohen" is Hebrew for "priest".
     
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    Jesus is Abraham's Seed, not the physical Jews. And only those united to him by faith are members of Israel. God broke off the unbelievers from Israel in Romans 11. He will reattach any who accept Christ.

    “And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?” (Romans 11:23–24)
     
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    The physical relatives of Israel will remain and repent, read Zech 11, 12 13 etc.
     
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    This will only be through faith in Christ per Romans 11.

    “And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?” (Romans 11:23–24)
     
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    That is not what Romans 11 says. In fact it speaks of the chosen nation of Israel being restored. They will in the future believe in Jesus unlike their rejection the first time.
     
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    Only reattached to Israel through faith in Christ. Read it carefully.
     
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    You read it carefully. Romans 11:25 Israel has a temporary hardening meaning the Nation of Israel not simply spiritual Israel.
     
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    “And even they—if they do not continue in their unbelief—will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree?” (Romans 11:23–24)
     
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    My point is proven
     
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    Only faith in Christ reunites the broken off Jews to Israel.
     
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    Those who had denied Him as Messiah then will accept him to the embarrassment of those Rabbis who had lied to them
     
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    That doesn't answer anything I have said.
     
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    “And even they—if they do not continue in their unbelief—will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree?” (Romans 11:23–24)
     
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    a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
    Rom 11:26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
    Rom 11:27 “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”
    Rom 11:28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sak
     
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    But Faith reunites them to Israel (Jesus).
     
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