Are you a Calvinist?

so if I disagree with you on this point does that mean that we agree? :wavey:

This thread is truly dizzying! :laugh:

 

Grace and Peace Amily,

Wow, that link to General_Baptists links to NC Free-Will Baptists of which my Father and his Father were a part. I didn't realize the regional connection with North Carolina.

Thanks a bunch and God Bless.

 

In my opinion that is so.

It isn't what they consider but what I consider them to be.

1 Sam 3:14 And therefore I have sworn unto the house of Eli, that the iniquity of Eli's house shall not be purged with sacrifice nor offering for ever. (KJV)
1 Sam 3:14 Therefore, I swore to the house of Eli, `The guilt of Eli's house will never be atoned for by sacrifice or offering.' " (NIV)

L proved.

It is up to them. I don't.

Dead right.

If a person believes that it is they themselves that make the crucial decision, regardless of how they got to that point, then they are Pelagian. (Is that right Martin?) Cause if God stands everyone up to where they can then it's their will that saves.

They do webdog.

Rightly named bound.

Calvin was wrong to conclude that baptism replaced circumcision but he was right in believing it right to baptist the children of the children of God. Baptists are wrong but I am more than willing to be in a Baptist Church that does not baptise children, I didn't, I don't see that this in itself causes baptists to be outside the reformation. A reformed Baptist is one that believes in the five points. My thoughts.

Joining crowds isn't a clever thing to do, make up your own minds.

john.

 

Would you consider John MacArthur and John Piper Reformed Baptists? They don't see themselves that way and they're five pointers.


j

 

Hello JM.

I don't know them. I remember something about Piper that reminds me that I would not pay him much mind.

I don't distinquish between Baptist and others but between Calvinist and not Calvinist.

john.

 

Butting in - hope you don't mind - Piper is Reformed Baptist, MacArthur would be be more accurately described as an independent reformed fundamentalist. I would caution you not to form an opinion of Reformed Baptists based upon Piper. He is one of the most influencial teachers of today, but I think he actually represents a minority view on some things among the Reformed Baptists. I think he's SBC also, but not sure.

 

Also, in regards to baptism, MacArthur practices believer's baptism. In fact, about the only difference between his church and a Baptist church is the form of government. His church follows something akin to a presbyterian form of government.

I'm interested if Piper does not consider himself reformed, or if he does not consider himself Baptist, what he does consider himself to be?

Some say that a Baptist can be a Calvinist, but not reformed - "reformed" taking the broader application of reformation theology. But it's probably not a valid differentiation.

 

Yes. So let's make sure that we disagree agreeably but never agree disagreeably. :thumbs:

Good advice. I have made up my minds which explains why I am of two minds...at least!. :1_grouphug:

 

Ed

 

Well, being as you asked so nicely - :tonofbricks:



Ed

 

Ed

 

According to their teachings and websites both admit to not fitting into the "Reformed" mold. Piper admits to agreeing with some of CT but agrees also with NCT on the Law, his covenant positions are not stated to the best of my knowledge and he's also premil. MacArthur doesn't use any theological label other then evangelical. Niether Piper or MacArthur endorse a Reformed Confession...

Let me re-state my question: Does having Calvinistic soteriology make one Reformed or just a Calvinist?

I don't think it does. Consider S. Lewis Johnson. He as a Dispensationalist and a Calvinist and NOT Reformed.

Peace,

j

 

I know what an A & P is, as we had one in our hometown for many years, but what is an S & P?

I really do not know, and am unable to 'decipher' what you are meaning.

Ed

 

I don't sit on fences

I sat on a fence one time, and almost fell off. I only did that , as I was trying to cut through peoples backyards.

Anyway, I have found myself agreeing with and fluctuating (logically Captain)

between an Eternally Secure (OSAS) Lordship Arminian position (John R. Rice, Sam Jones, Oliver B. Greene, Harry Ironside, M.R. DeHaan)

ALL THE WAY TO

Sublapsarian, faith/regeneration @ the same time, 4 point Amyraldianist "Calvinists" position (Miles Stanford, L. Sperry-Chafer, J.N. Darby, and inconsistent 5 Pointers --Charles Spurgeon, Horatius Bonar, Sir Robert Anderson)

Did you know: In the PowerBible v.3.0 version, that Spurgeon states that his sermon that saw the most souls saved, was labeled Arminian?

In the long run...:jesus: :laugh: :thumbs: :sleeping_2:

 

Thanks for telling me what it means.

The only S & P designation I was familiar with, was the Standard & Poors, 500 "Stock Average", and I was pretty sure that was not what you were referring to, here.

Ed

 

Actually, I'm pretty sure that Dr. S. Lewis Johnson is now completely 'reformed', but not necessarily in the sense you mean it. Dr. Johnson went to glory on Jan. 28, 2004.

Ed

 

Ooops, I owe you a "w." I meant to post, "He [w]as a Dispensationalist and a Calvinist and NOT Reformed."

Good teacher he was, his mp3 on Covenants and Covenant theology can be found here.

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