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Yowza.

Check and mate

 

I have not done all that but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Frankly, I do not see the connection between LS and God being sovereign. I believe very strongly in God being sovereign, yet, I think LS is nothing but a works Gospel. It really warps salvation by grace through faith. After salvation the Holy Spirit guides us in all things. Our nature changes. We set our eyes on Jesus and become more like Him. That's it. I do not recall Eph 2:8-9 saying by grace and meeting a 85% sinless goal by the end of the second week are you saved through faith..................

 

In the final analysis, after all the long paragraphs, Lordship Salvation is nothing more than a gospel based on works. I have to "do" something to be saved. It is a different gospel than the Gospel of the Bible. It has no concept of the terms gift, grace, and faith.

 

absolutely not I'm claiming Roman 62 shall we continue in sin that grace may abound God forbid may it never be

it sounds to me like many on Baptist board want to say yes by all means continue in sin

 

I think think this is a pretty good article about LS from www.gotquestions.com..

 

The key here is your words "it sounds to me"

 

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

I agree it should produce works. But there are Christians who have been saved for good period of time that one sees no apparent fruit. D- Christians. Hebrews 6:1-3 clearly states they exist. They are admonished to stop being babes in Christ and mature. It is sometimes hard to distinguish them from the lost, but one can read those verses no other way.

 

Being babes does not mean no fruit. I reject the idea that one is a Christian for any period of time and there is no fruit. It is just not possible.

Mat_7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat_7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.


Joh_15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

 

So where do you get the idea that the fruit is behavior?

Matthew 13, also speaking of the tree and fruit, is clear that the fruit is a man's teaching

 

Thats the signature mark of a warrior :laugh::thumbsup:

 

Hebrews 6:1-3 cannot be read any other way. So what kind of fruit do you think a babe in Christ produces, that's been a babe for ten years? The bottom line is LS is a works gospel.

karpos: fruit
Original Word: καρπός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: karpos
Phonetic Spelling: (kar-pos')
Short Definition: fruit, result, gain
Definition: (a) fruit, generally vegetable, sometimes animal, (b) met: fruit, deed, action, result, (c) profit, gain.

Fruits of the Holy Spirit are joy, love, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, etc Good works are also fruits after salvation. Now, if someone has not progressed in his maturity for years as a Chrisitian, what do you expect them to produce? You cannot deny they exist. So how do you explain how a babe in Christ produces fruit.

 

Also the human side....unless he wants to be the next ST. ANTHONY.:laugh:

Come on Tony...come over to Jersey one day and I will buy u a beer...I think you would make a great Fisher of men if you'd only let your beard breathe. Better yet, get Reformed out here with you, he knows the way. We will get Deacon out here and Padre....have some laughs and praise God. :wavey:

 

We should be warriors against a works gospel. Other denominations that use works gospels are the RCC, LDS, CoC, some of the charismatic cults, and the SDA.

 

Two peas. Same pod.

`Desire not to live but to praise his name; let all your thoughts, words, and works tend to his glory.' `Let your soul be filled with so entire a love to Him that you may love nothing but for his sake.' `Have a pure intention of heart, a steadfast regard to his glory in all you actions.' For then, and not till then, is that `mind in us, which was also in Christ Jesus,' when in every motion of our heart, in every word of our tongue, in every work of our hands, we `pursue nothing but in relation to him, and in subordination to his plea sure;' when we too neither think, nor speak, nor act, to fulfil `our own will, but the will of Him that sent us;' when, `whether we eat or drink, or whatever we do,' we do it all `to the glory of God."' ~John Wesley Plain Account of Christian Perfection

"There is marked demonstration in the life of a person as to whether or not they have in fact been delivered. And such deliverance, listen, is the common experience for all believers in Christ. There is a dramatic change in their personal life. We're not talking again about forensic things, we're talking about actual transformation. There is a dramatic change in their personal life, their personal nature, and this is the work of the Holy Spirit. They are new creations and they have been delivered from some very specific dangers into some very specific new patterns of behavior." ~ John MacArthur, Deliverance: The Neglected Doctrine.

 

Excellent post for all saved folks..............

 

TCassidy

No....I am still believing what I have always believed.I think we were talking past each other before. Christ is Lord of every aspect of my life.

My obeying Him Or not obeying Him does not change this reality.
If your child does not obey you...are you not His Father anymore because of his disobedience?

If he obeys you does that make you His Father?

Jesus is Lord of the living and the dead.

I do not agree with your pov on this.

The whole teaching came about because of flawed evangelistic methods, false converts walking the aisle, or raising that hand...with every eye closed.

They did this in the flesh, the flesh wears down, so now they are called up to the unscriptural"old fashioned altar" to re-dedicate themselves....the pastor tells them...if anyone has Jesus as savior but not Lord....they can "make Him Lord of their life" really begin to live the surrendered life, etc...all nonsense.

If God saved them in the first place they would be growing in grace...instead we have a goat stampede to perform another unscriptural religious ritual

Not everyone teaches that.

there is no deflection at all.

No...only those who oppose it claim to not understand it.

The reality of remaining sin is dealt with by the teaching of mortification of sin..

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No.... I lie not friend, and I mean every part of life. There is no part of life that He fails to rule over.....people will give account of every idle word.

we all do...rom7

No..we are still in a body that is able to sin,because of indwelling sin and corruption. The old man has been crucified, We are in new man in an old body.

{QUOTE]Exactly what I said[/QUOTE]

not really..

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Jesus died a Covenant death for All the Father has given to Him. No sheep loses salvation.