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    Armageddon & 7 The Last Plagues



    Millennium & New Heaven and New Earth



    Looking for feedback on these two entire presentations, found on youtube, and their finales, thank you.
     
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    Perhaps the Net Chaplain, who has some free time, would consider sharing.
     
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    Just for clarification about the videos and the presenter/s. They are not pastors, elders, deacons, ordained, etc (as that would be unscriptural). Just 'sisters' (in Christ Jesus) fulfilling the Gospel commission, in a women's ministry outreach through evangelistic efforts. I hope that clarifies any issue that may be had, and if any have any concern, please feel free to comment about it, but I would rather they comment on the content primarily, and not secondarily.
     
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    The subject is still open, for any to discuss, "Armageddon" and "7 Last Plagues" and "Millennium" and "New Heaven and New Earth".
     
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    "Armageddon" will be the site of the gathering of the antichrist's army to try to fight Jesus when He returns.
     
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    Are the links available in any other format? I don't have PowerPoint.
     
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    Did you consider the definition given in the video material? What did you think of what it meant in its context?
     
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    Armageddon is two Hebrew words combined, [1] “Har” meaning hill or mountain and [2] “Meggido”, the name of the area in the OT where many battles for the LORD and against Him were fought, as in the day of Elijah, in the valley near or even upon the Mountain of Carmel.

    The whole world will be involved in this end-time conflict. The Battle of Armageddon has to do with the forces of evil combining as one and mobilizing against God’s people to completely destroy them. All who are alive at that time will be involved in the Battle of Armageddon, the battle over the mountain of the congregation, the battle for the will and worship of the heart, either for God or for the devil. It has nothing to do with the OT natural place in the middle east.

    In the last moment, when it looks as though God’s people will be annihilated on a global scale, Jesus the King of the East, returns with His immortal armies of angels from the heavens, and the wicked are caught unawares and destroyed as the artillery from heaven falls.
     
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    During the outpouring of the 7 Last plagues, it is written:

    Rev_15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

    God’s people cannot be “raptured” or taken to heaven before the 7 LAST Plagues are poured out, for it would violate the scripture of John 14:1-4 (vs 3 “… if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself …”), it would also violate the texts of Revelation 15:5-8, which says that no one was able to enter the Heavenly Temple until those things were finished.

    The very type of this event is seen in the OT historical accounts, in Exodus 4; 1 Kings 8; 2 Chronicles 5.

    Further types exist in the coming out of Egypt, and in the days of Noah.
     
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    Actually, the "Battle of Armageddon" won't be muchuva battle. The 'beast's' army will gather on & near the Plain of Megiddo to attack the returned Jesus at Jerusalem, but He will destroy that army by His spoken word.
     
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    That is a very overly literalistic and Jesuit interpretation of Revelation 16:16, the great spiritual war that takes place upon a global scale. The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Preterism

    God is not interested in that piece of desert in the middle east. He is interested in the salvation of the persons of mankind, and their hearts being renewed. The book of Revelation is drawing from the "natural" (OT) to explain the greater and worldwide "spiritual" (NT), as per 1 Cor. 15:44-46.

    The River "Euphrates" in verse 12, is not the natural, but the spiritual river of people that flow into Babylon (Revelation 17) and protect her, and are her supply for food, trade (merchandise) and population. Once the plague falls in judgment upon the Babylon the great, people will realize that they have been fighting on the wrong side (too late however) and turn away (be diverted from) Babylon, and thus she will be without aid, and none shall help her, nor her King (see also Daniel 11:45).
     
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    The literal 1,000 years and the two reigns:

    Here are the texts of Revelation 20:1-7 cited:

    Revelation 20:1 - And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

    Revelation 20:2 - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

    Revelation 20:3 - And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

    Revelation 20:4 - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Revelation 20:5 - But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

    Revelation 20:6 - Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    Revelation 20:7 - And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

    Please notice, that in these texts [Revelation 20:1-7], there is no where written that either Jesus, or the “saints” (or “satan” for that matter), shall “reign upon the earth” for 1,000 years, but simply says [vss. 4,6] that Jesus and the saints reigned “a thousand years”. The location of this 1,000 reign is nowhere stated to be “upon the earth” in these, or any passages of scripture [KJB]. Revelation 20:1 refers to Jesus coming “down” from Heaven but not touching the sin polluted earth, which connects to 1 Thessalonians 4:16 in its “descend from Heaven”. Revelation 20:6 speaks of the “first resurrection”, which is connected to 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, in its “the dead in Christ shall rise first” and “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”, which ties into John 14:1-4. One should very carefully look for themselves. It also is very clearly written that “satan” himself was not reigning during this “thousand years”, but is “bound” and “shut … up” with a “seal” placed “upon him”.

    The phrase “the day of the Lord” [Isaiah 2:12, 13:6,9, 34:8; Jeremiah 46:10; Lamentations 2:22; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31, 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 1:15; Zephaniah 1:7,8,14,18, 2:2,3; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:5; Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 1:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Peter 3:10], is a direct reference to the “thousand years” [Revelation 20:2,3,4,5,6,7, see also Isaiah 24:22, “many days”], which is the final “day”, the 7th day – the great Sabbath, of the great week “with the Lord” [2 Peter 3:8].

    The second Advent of Jesus Christ, wherein the “saints” are “caught up together … in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air” [1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Revelation 20:1-6] is but the beginning of the “thousand years” or “the day of the Lord”, while the third Advent of Jesus Christ [Zechariah 14:1-21; Revelation 20:7-10] is the ending of the “thousand years” or “the day of the Lord”, after which the finally impenitent shall be utterly destroyed in the second death, and finally the “New Heavens” and the “New Earth” are recreated [Isaiah 65:17, 66:22; 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1] which the “meek shall inherit”.

    Revelation 19-22, is parallel to Isaiah 24, and so also connected to Leviticus 16:1-34, 23:26-32.

    Armageddon, the gathering to war against the Lamb (and his body)

    The Day of the LORD, the final thousand years, beginning, middle and ending

    Final Destruction of the Wicked

    Heavens & Earth Made New, saints reign upon the earth made new, forever

    Psalms 37

    Psalms 37:14,12,35


    Psalms 37:1,2,9a,10,20,22b,28b,34b,36,38​

    Psalms 37:3,9b,11,18,22a,28b,29,34a,37​

    Isaiah 24

    Isaiah 24:21-22



    Isaiah 24:33​

    Zechariah 14

    Zechariah 14:1-3




    Revelation 6-22

    Revelation 16:16


    The location of this “reign” of Jesus and the saints, for “a thousand years” is never said to be on the plague wracked, utterly sin polluted and totally cursed and devastated “earth”, wherein even the upper heaven [atmosphere] is burned away by the second Advent [Genesis 3:17, 5:29, 8:21; Isaiah 34:4; 2 Peter 3:10-12; Revelation 6:14; 11:19, 15:1,6,8, 16:9,17-21, 18:4,8 21:9, 22:18]. So likewise for the passages of “Isaiah 2, 11, 65; Amos 9; Zechariah 14”. Read prayerfully and carefully for oneself. Where then is the “thousand year” reign of Jesus and the saints to be? It is to be in Heaven, the “third” [2 Corinthians 12:2].

    Notice Isaiah 2:4 in which it speaks of, “... they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.” That is the earth “made new”, wherein it is said in Revelation 21:4, “And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.” The earth is not “made new” until after the 1,000 years, not before.

    Notice Isaiah 11:4-10, in which the complete destruction of the wicked takes place first (as in Revelation 20:9-10, 11-15), and then follows the statements about the New Heaven and New Earth, which comes after the 1,000 years, see Isaiah 11:9, “They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.” See Isaiah 11:6-8 and compare to Isaiah 65:20-25, 66:22-23. See that Isaiah 66:16 and its events, the destruction of the wicked in entirety, come before those other events, which take place in the earth “made new”.

    Notice Amos 9:14-15 in which the events, “... they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them.”, and of the planting and building are in the earth “made new”, after the events of the destruction of the wicked in Amos 9:8, which does not take place until after the 1,000 years as Isaiah 24 and Revelation 20 (and other places) show.

    Notice Zechariah 14 carefully, and see that this is not referring to the Second Advent (the beginning of the 1,000 years), wherein the “saints” are “caught up” to “meet the Lord in the air” (1 Thessalonians 4:17), as also John 14:3 says, “... I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”, but refers to the Third Advent, wherein the Lord Jesus comes “down” and touches the sin polluted earth, along with the saints and New Jerusalem on the Mount of Olives, as in Revelation 20, at the ending of the 1,000 years, and thus metes out judgment, executing all the wicked, and recreating the heavens and earth. See Zechariah 14:12-13,21 in connection to Revelation 20:9-10,11-15.

    The “reign upon the earth” comes after 1,000 years [Revelation 20:2,3,4,5,6,7], for the “saints” must be both resurrected and/or translated, glorified, and brought back to Heaven [John 14:1-4; 1 Thessalonians 4:17, etc] at the Second Advent and First Great Resurrection, to “reign” in Heaven, for 1,000 years [Revelation 20:4,5a,6] going over the record books of the lost [1 Corinthians 6:2,3; Psalms 149:1-9]:

    [1] The “thousand years” reign “in Heaven” [Psalms 50:5; Matthew 5:3,8,10,12, 6:20, 13:30, 24:31; Mark 10:21, 13:27; Luke 6:23, 18:22, 23:43; John 14:2-3, 17:24; Colossians 1:5; Hebrews 10:34; 1 Peter 1:4; Revelation 7:9, 14:3, 19:1; “Paradise”, Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4; Revelation 2:7] with Christ Jesus [1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; Revelation 20:6] and

    [2] The “reign on earth” [“made new”, not this sin polluted Earth; 2 Peter 3:13; Isaiah 65:17, 66:22; Revelation 21:1] that lasts “forever and ever” [Revelation 5:10; “meek inherit earth” [“made new”, not this sin polluted Earth], Psalms 37:9,11,34; Proverbs 11:31; Isaiah 25:8, 65:21; Daniel 7:27; Matthew 5:5; Revelation 5:10].
     
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    In my view "Armageddon" is a contraction of three words: Air + Magog + Eddon, as follow:
    Armageddon


    AIR
    Revelation 16:v.17 -
    17
    And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the AIR; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

    Revelation 16:v.15-17
    15 Behold, I come as a thief.
    Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
    16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

    Revelation 16:v.12-15
    12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the Dragon, and out of the mouth of the Beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

    14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles,
    which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great Day of God Almighty. - the Lord's Day -

    15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

    17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the AIR; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

    Revelation 19:v.11 and 19-20

    11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth Judge and make WAR.

    19 And I saw the Beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make WAR against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

    20 And the Beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him (as is written in Rev.13:v.12-14) , with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the Beast, and them that worshipped his image. These BOTH were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


    In Christ JESUS, KING of kings and LORD of lords

    Your fellow in Christ
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    The text specifically says "in the Hebrew tongue (language)", not in English ("Air" (English) is not Hebrew):

    Rev_16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

    It is a reference found only in the Hebrew scripture (aka, OT;TaNaKh) which was written in Hebrew.

    It specifcally says it is a "place", not a nation as "Magog" is a nation of peoples (Rev. 20:8), even again, found in the OT (Gen. 10:2; 1 Chr. 1:5; Ezekiel 38:2, 39:6).

    God uses the natural of the OT to explain the spiritual of the NT, as found in 1 Cor. 15:44-46 and every parable, and prophecy.
     
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    The battle of Armageddon is against THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS

    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs
    come out of the mouth of the Dragon, and out of the mouth of the Beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

    14 For they are the spirits of devils which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great Day of God Almighty. - the Lord's Day -

    15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

    17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the AIR; ...
     
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    Most of your stuff is a humbug because, same as preterists & some other false-doctrine believers, you try to reduce too much Scripture to "figurative/symbolic" status.

    For millenia, the Plain of Megiddo has been a traditional site of armies preparing to assault Jerusalem, & it's big enough for a modern army to gather as well. The Euphrates River has served as a lifeline for millions of people for millenia as well, & still does today. However, there have been complaints from people living in its latter portions that the people upstream of them have been drawing off too much water, & a proposed dam would threaten their homelands.

    History shows a LITERAL fulfillment of Biblical prophecy to the letter so far, so your attempts to de-literalize God's word so it can be made to fit some cult or sect's imaginations remains phony as a Chevy Mustang.
     
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    ANOTHER HUMBUG!

    Scripture says that the armies of the KINGS OF THE EARTH shall be gathered by the beast to fight against the returned Jesus, but He shall destroy them by the sword that comes outta His mough. (His spoken word) And when the millenium is up & Satan is released, he shall once again incite the armies of the NATIONS to attack the camp of the saints. In both cases, COMMON SENSE says that both Jesus & the camp of the saints wherein He will be, MUST be on earth in order for the armies of the earth to attack them!
     
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    And that place is the Plain of Megiddo! There, the beast's army will gather to attack Jesus, who will be in Jerusalem.
     
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