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Featured Arminocalvinist Spectrum - where might you be?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Siberian, Jun 1, 2011.

  1. Siberian

    Siberian New Member

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    This is an interesting post by Adrian Warnock with 7 categories on the Armino-Calvinist Spectrum.

    Where might you be (or which position is closest and how would you modify it to make it yours)?

    I land closest to #3.
     
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  2. StefanM

    StefanM Well-Known Member

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    I'm closest to 5.
     
  3. JesusFan

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    same as you on this chart, ONLY modification would be that I do see Bible stating Jesus WAS the propiation for ALL, its just that God loves all, Jesus died for all, but God requires us to place faith in jesus in order to receive his grace, and ONLY those that he elects actually are able to respond in like faith!

    That is why i lean towards Calvinism, as just hard to believe God would send His Son to death on the Cross, die for Sins, and yet allow for us to decide IF we accept the offer or not!
     
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    There are too many errors to count. We have had charts in the past that were more accurate.
     
  5. JesusFan

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    just curious, what be the MOST grevious ones?
     
  6. Thousand Hills

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    I agree with #3 and the last point in #4, so I guess I'm a soft- moderate?
     
  7. Siberian

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    These kinds of things are always subjective. It would be impossible to have a chart that accurately categorized all the people on this board, let alone the church. But - as far as sweeping generalizations go - this one isn't too bad.
     
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    Probably closest to #5
     
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    3 but I gravitate up to #2 in some areas.
     
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    I'm closest to a #5, but the last bullet in #4 sums up my view.
     
  11. Robert Snow

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    Bingo! Five sums me up the best!
     
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    I have one from number 2 and one from number 4 and the rest is number 3, so I average out at the 3.
    • May believe that the world is the best of all possible worlds (From #2)
    • Believes in all the TULIP but may understand some of them in a slightly different way to stronger Calvinists. For example “limited atonement” may be moderated by saying that there are some senses in which Jesus died generally for the whole world, and others in which he died especially for the elect. (see for example Edwards on Limited Atonement)

      I believe it like the Canons of Dort said it(which is where TULIP comes from)
      - "While the death of Christ is abundantly sufficient to expiate the sins of the whole world, its saving efficacy is limited to the elect." (http://www.the-highway.com/dordt.html)


    • Does not believe in double predestination. In other words does not believe God damns sinners willingly. Despite the apparent illogicality of this statement believes that man condemns himself entirely freely and rejects a genuine offer of salvation from God, while the believer is saved only because of God’s irresistible grace and predestination.

      Men are naturally sinners and there is no need for God to elect them to damnation. They are already condemned(John 3:18).

    • Another way of putting this would be to say that God gets all the credit for saving us, but man gets all the blame for damnation. Spurgeon was a strong advocate of this position.

      Here's how I put it. EVERYONE is on the condemned side. God elects out this group of sinners to save some. It's not that everyone is neutral and God chooses the elect and the reprobate like we would a kickball team.

    • Is likely to believe that although salvation is secure, a mere response at a gospel event is not sufficient to be sure that someone is genuinely saved, and many backsliders were never saved at all.
    • Believes the Gospel must be preached to all, and Jesus commands everyone to repent.
    • Will freely teach God loves sinners, and that Jesus died for the world.
    • Believes that God chooses some to be saved out of his love for them rather than any foreseen faith.
    • Eagerly stress both God’s sovereignty and man’s (From #4)
     
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  13. menageriekeeper

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    I'm somewhere between 5 and 6. Probably closer to 5 as I don't believe you can lose your faith(because of sins committed after salvation) nor do I believe one that has tasted salvation will forsake it.
     
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    Put me down for a 5, liking one bullet from 4 and one bullet from 6
     
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    I agree, too many errors to count. I figured he was some sort of Calvinist before I got to the bottom where he said he was a Calvinist; he did not include those that believe a Christian can forfeit, but not lose, their salvation, i.e. most Arminians that do not believe in the eternal security doctrine.
     
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    I could agree with four and a little of three so I guess I'm in between.
     
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    I choose #5
     
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    I'm in group #2 generally. But Spurgeon Packer and other Calvinists would subscribe to a point in the Hyper-Calvinist designation.

    It said under #1 that H-C's may argue we should not say that "Jesus died for you"or "God loves you"to anyone.

    I would think that a number of non-hyper Calvinists would agree that we shouldn't address those statements freely to anyone.

    Under the third grouping of Moderatre Calvinist there was a point that said:"Believes the Gospel must be preached to all,and Jesus commands everyone to repent."

    The Strong Calvinist certainly agrees with that --not just a so-called moderate Calvinist.
     
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    that would place you in "moderate" camp...

    main difference between us and #1-2 is that we would see an Unlimited Atonement in the Cross, that there is not double predestinating going on, God does elect his own to save but allows rest to go where they are headed any ways to go, and that God has dual Wiils, Determined decrees Will and permissive Will based on limited 'free will" allowed to man, just that we all are still in "Bondage to the Will" being dead in sins unless God elects us and places us in Christ!
     
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    Pretty poorly stated with author's opinions scattered through the mix. I am half 2 and half 3, so I guess that makes me a 2 1/2. :)
     
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