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At least there are no firearms in England

JonC

JonC

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The problem is not knives and guns. The problem is people.



There were 17,284 homicides in the US in 2017, giving a rate of 5.3 per 100,000. In Britain, there were 785 in financial year 2017/18 — the nearest equivalent time period — giving a rate of 1.8 per 100,000, some three times lower.

Within this, there were 285 knife murders in England and Wales in 2017/18 — the highest number since the Second World War — and 34 in Scotland, giving a combined British rate of 0.48 per 100,000. In the US, the number for 2017 was 1,591, giving an almost identical rate of 0.49. So even amid a spike in British knife crime, Americans as a whole are at least as likely as to die from a stabbing.

Deadly knife crime: How does London compare to New York?
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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London has been hijacked by the anti-English left LIBERALS like the (snip) mayor, Khan!

With the guns that you are allowed to by legally in the US, like Assault weapons, MASS murders are easier. With a knife, you cannot kill as many. So there is ZERO comparison

There is no point in trying to justify or take comfort in your gun laws, by looking at the gang knife killings in London. You never read of 20 KIDS MURDERED in a school with a knive!
 
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Conan

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SavedByGrace said:
London has been hijacked by the anti-English left LIBERALS like the (snip) mayor, Khan!

With the guns that you are allowed to by legally in the US, like Assault weapons, MASS murders are easier. With a knife, you cannot kill as many. So there is ZERO comparison

There is no point in trying to justify or take comfort in your gun laws, by looking at the gang knife killings in London. You never read of 20 KIDS MURDERED in a school with a knive!
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Apparently far, far more people are killed by knives in England than Armalite Rifles (ar-15's) in the USA. There are at least 11-13 million Armalite Rifles (ar-15's) in the USA.
 
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Van

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The question not answered when folks point to the mass shootings using semi-automatic weapons with large magazines, is what would these same people use if those weapons were not available to them? We have seen where a vehicle is used to mow down many people. We have seen where explosive devices, such as in Oklahoma, were used to kill more than one hundred.
September 11, 2001 we saw thousands killed using airplanes.

Basically, anywhere there is a mass gathering, a means is available to take many lives.
 
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Conan

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SavedByGrace said:
your stats?
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They came by FBI statistics. More people were beat to death than crimes committed with an Armalite rifle. I have tried to go back and find it on YouTube where I saw it but have been unsuccessful. I'll search again tonight. It was less crimes commited with the ar15, not even shootings. There were even less shootings with it.
 
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AustinC

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Salty said:
Stats from 2021
London stabbings 2021 – latest news on knife crime, attacks and statistics

In 2020, some 128 people were killed in the capital - with 71 of those in stabbing attacks.

That compares to 149 in 2019, and 133 in 2018.

Ten people on average are caught with blades EVERY DAY on the streets of London.
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...in a city of 10 million...you have less than 200.

What's the body count on gun deaths in Chicago?
797 dead in 2021.
2021 Ends as Chicago’s Deadliest Year in a Quarter Century – NBC Chicago
 
BasketFinch

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England is a growing travesty.
They refuse to allow babies discharge from hospital to find treatment hope elsewhere and after doctors there have diagnosed them as terminal.
Parents can't legally take them out either. Socialized medicine.

Their antigun policy goes so far as to disarm all police save for a special branch allowed firearms.

Years ago Lee Rigby, a soldier in their military band, and a machine gunner, was slaughtered by Muslim terrorists using machete's and cleavers, in broad daylight.

The viewer public had cell cameras recording the whole thing. No one had a gun.
By the time the armed cops arrived it was too late. It was too late when the cops carrying mace and batton's arrived first.

The people surrendered their firearms, even antique hundreds of year old weapons, because government told them to.

That was a mistake. One I pray will never occur in America.
 
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SavedByGrace

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BasketFinch said:
England is a growing travesty.
They refuse to allow babies discharge from hospital to find treatment hope elsewhere and after doctors there have diagnosed them as terminal.
Parents can't legally take them out either. Socialized medicine.

Their antigun policy goes so far as to disarm all police save for a special branch allowed firearms.

Years ago Lee Rigby, a soldier in their military band, and a machine gunner, was slaughtered by Muslim terrorists using machete's and cleavers, in broad daylight.

The viewer public had cell cameras recording the whole thing. No one had a gun.
By the time the armed cops arrived it was too late. It was too late when the cops carrying mace and batton's arrived first.

The people surrendered their firearms, even antique hundreds of year old weapons, because government told them to.

That was a mistake. One I pray will never occur in America.
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Deaths From Gun Violence: How The U.S. Compares With The Rest Of The World
 
BasketFinch

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SavedByGrace said:
Deaths From Gun Violence: How The U.S. Compares With The Rest Of The World
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Here Are 8 Stubborn Facts on Gun Violence in America
2018
Here are eight stubborn facts to keep in mind about gun violence in America:

1.Violent crime is down and has been on the decline for decades.
2.The principal public safety concerns with respect to guns are suicides and illegally owned handguns, not mass shootings.
3. A small number of factors significantly increase the likelihood that a person will be a victim of a gun-related homicide.
4.Gun-related murders are carried out by a predictable pool of people.
5.Higher rates of gun ownership are not associated with higher rates of violent crime.
6.There is no clear relationship between strict gun control legislation and homicide or violent crime rates.
7.Legally owned firearms are used for lawful purposes much more often than they are used to commit crimes or suicide.
8.Concealed carry permit holders are not the problem, but they may be part of the solution.

Each of these facts is firmly based on empirical data. Here’s a deeper look....
Here Are 8 Stubborn Facts on Gun Violence in America
 
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AustinC

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Salty said:
so 200 is ok??
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Of course not.
How many babies are aborted in the US per year?
This is a comparative analysis regarding deaths per capita, not a support of murder.
Now, a city of 6 million in Chicago, had nearly 800 deaths by gun. I have no idea how many more were by knife. The data on deaths by gun in London was not provided so we cannot compare apples to apples.

The issue is that death by stabbing is a lower rate than by gun...and it isn't even close. The OP is simply trying to distract and say "what about him."
 
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AustinC

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BasketFinch said:
Here Are 8 Stubborn Facts on Gun Violence in America
2018
Here are eight stubborn facts to keep in mind about gun violence in America:

1.Violent crime is down and has been on the decline for decades.
2.The principal public safety concerns with respect to guns are suicides and illegally owned handguns, not mass shootings.
3. A small number of factors significantly increase the likelihood that a person will be a victim of a gun-related homicide.
4.Gun-related murders are carried out by a predictable pool of people.
5.Higher rates of gun ownership are not associated with higher rates of violent crime.
6.There is no clear relationship between strict gun control legislation and homicide or violent crime rates.
7.Legally owned firearms are used for lawful purposes much more often than they are used to commit crimes or suicide.
8.Concealed carry permit holders are not the problem, but they may be part of the solution.

Each of these facts is firmly based on empirical data. Here’s a deeper look....
Here Are 8 Stubborn Facts on Gun Violence in America
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And if guns did not have a place in society, would you be more safe or less safe?
 
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AustinC

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Conan said:
Less safe, beyond dispute.
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It's not beyond dispute.
Simply compare crime in a country with no guns to crime in the United States where guns are as prevalent as grocery stores.

Truly the worship of guns in the US as a savior is disturbing.
 
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