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AT&T: You make the call

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Dale-c, Jan 19, 2008.

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  1. I would never tell an untruth, even if it meant the death of the child.

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  2. I would mislead the killer to protect the innocent and may or may not even consider a lie.

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  3. I would stand there and say nothing, even though he would kill me and then find the child

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  4. Are you kidding? I never answer poll questions!

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  1. Dale-c

    Dale-c Active Member

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    Does anyone remember the commcerials that used to air during Monday Night Football in the 80s?

    So here it is: you make the call:

    a child is being chased by a serial killer at a hotel you are staying at.
    You allow the child to come into your room to seek safety and hide under the bed.
    A couple of minutes later the killer is busting down your door,


    He asks you if you have seen the child and if you know where they are.

    By leading the killer the wrong way you can save the childs life.
    Being silent will lead your death and the death of the child.

    Only telling the killer that the child when another way will protect the life of the child.


    What would you do?
     
  2. Dale-c

    Dale-c Active Member

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    The other post had people discussing various situations.
    Here is one that I have made up that is a specific situation.
    It is fiction of course but there should be no confusion as to what exactly we are talking about.
     
  3. menageriekeeper

    menageriekeeper Active Member

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    There is a third option, Dale. Serial killers generally are bullies and when they percieve they have lost control of the situation or are drawing to much attention to themselves, they leave. (don't you read murder mysteries? :D )

    The third option, at least here in the South, is to pull out whatever weapon God has blessed you with and pop the guy while he's in the business of busting down the door. :rolleyes: My weapon of choice a nice little model made by Luger and loaded with hollow points.

    And no, I have no clue whatsoever what commercials you are talking about. :laugh:
     
  4. Magnetic Poles

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    Ridiculous hypothetical. A killer is not due an honest answer.
     
  5. donnA

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    I'm sure most people will confront a serial killer in the hope he runs home to mommy crying becasue he's a bully.
     
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  6. tinytim

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    In accordance with the commandment of my Lord Jesus Christ to love my neighbor as myself, I would mislead the killer.

    This is the only way to show love to the innocent child...
    Of course if I had a way to kill the killer, I would do that also.

    That is defense of the innocent.
    That is love for the innocent..

    To tell the killer where the child is would be an accomplice to an innocent child's murder...

    so...

    Would I rather be a liar to a killer.. .or an accomplice to a murder of an innocent child?

    I will be a liar.

    And before anyone says "Liars go to Hell" so do murderers, and if someone leads a killer to a child, they are guilty of murder as well...

    So even if God did send me to Hell. (which He can't because He would be a liar... He already KNows me, and if he ever says in the future he never knew me.. he would be lying.. and since my God cannot lie, that will never happen)

    but if He did send me to Hell.. .
    The degree of punishment for murder is a whole lot hotter than lying.
     
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  7. bapmom

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    I like MK's third option the best....


    sending the killer on his way essentlially leaves him free to perpetrate the same crime on yet another innocent child, so why not 'deal with him' in the most ethical way possible?

    Stop/detain/maim him any way you can and call the police.
     
  8. Salty

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    Actually, I believe that is an excellent example. Where in the Bible does it give an exception to lie to muderders.

    I'm not saying it is wrong... but like I said this is an excellent example.

    I suppose I would just pretend I would be a politician and....

    Salty
     
  9. Dale-c

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    This is the FIRST option if it is available.
    But most people these days do not have a gun permit, even if they own a gun so they don't carry.

    I don't carry a gun but I am seriously considering applying for a permit so I can.
     
  10. Allan

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    I would take option #1 (since you clarified it Dale) because there are so many things that could be done without ever opening the door to a serial Killer.

    Once I understood what was going on, I would allow the child to hide bolt or lock the door, and call 911 or the police.
    Also depending on how high up I was in the hotel to drop the child out the window.

    And yes, these were my first thoughts when I read the OP.


    On a side note: How would you know they were a serial killer? and who on earth (or in their right mind for that matter) would open the door to speak with someone they KNEW just killed or was a Killer?


    BTW - In the South, though it is only legal to carry a gun IF one has a permit, MANY do not have a permit and STILL carry guns :) (I was one at one time - now I have a permit) :thumbs:
     
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  11. David Lamb

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    What is "AT&T"? Is it Anti-truth and truth?
     
  12. Sopranette

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    (AT&T is a telephone company in the U.S., Brother Lamb. The title is kind of a play on words.)

    I would fire away. If I'm not armed, I would lie, and feel it is the right thing to do. If the killer were to kill me over this, well, guess what, Jesus said there is no greater sacrifice than to lay down your life for another.

    love,

    Sopranette
     
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  13. David Lamb

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    Thanks for acting as interpreter again, Sopranette!
     
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    I am glad I have a God with enough common sense to know when telling a lie is right thing to do. You know what, I will stand before him in an instant on this one.

    What this poll really highlights is the insanity of "zero tolerance" laws that take judgement and common sense away from our judicial system.
     
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    I wasn't sure how to answer the question, because given the narrow range of choices, I would likely try to take out the murderer myself - because of my past, I believe I'm quite capable of doing it. Just because I'm a preacher doesn't mean I can't defend the helpless...

    I guess I'm not sure what I'd do, but I sure wouldn't just stand there and allow anyone to kill a helpless child. He'd have to go through me first.
     
  16. Chessic

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    Having called the police when I first became aware of the situation, I'd stall first. I'd never open the door for the killer and he'd have to fight his way through the door while I tried to prop it closed or barricade it. If he began shooting the door, I'd get out of the way and let him waste his bullets. If he came in, I'd fight him to the death. If I had a gun, he'd be shot 2-3 times the moment the door gave way. If I had a knife, he'd have a good sized gash in his neck the moment he entered. If I had nothing, I'd attempt to take him down and subdue him with a wrist lock, choke him out, or go for his eyes with my thumbs.

    Either way, my answer is fight to the death, or at least until the cops show.
     
  17. reformedbeliever

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    Seeing as how I have a concealed carry license... and carry quite often... especially if I am going to be staying in a hotel room, I would have to ventilate his body with about three .357sig slugs. If that were not sufficient I would have seven more to use if necessary.
     
  18. swaimj

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    Since God is not the author of sin, is it possible that he would put us in a situation in which we HAVE to choose to sin? Your scenario seems to suggest that this is possible. I think their are other options besides the ones given in the poll which would not require one to sin.

    Questions like this tend to pit a BIG sin like murder against a perceived LITTLE sin like telling an inconsequential (seemingly) lie. A favorite professor of mine used to answer with a scenario that required one to choose between two BIG sins: Suppose you are alone in your office and a beautiful blonde comes in. She says, "Make love to me or I'll jump out the window and kill myself!" Now the choice is between adultery or murder. Which will you choose? Immediately, we start to come up with third alternatives that involve neither. That's exactly what we should do in the "lie or kill" scenario that was in the poll.
     
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