Baby of pastor dies

[Salty]

From USA newspaper From May 31, 2023

BREVARD COUNTY, Fla. − An 11-month-old infant died after being left in a car for hours in the hot sun while the parents attended a service at the Florida church where they are co-pastors, police said.

The child − whose birthday was this week − was discovered unresponsive in the car about 1 p.m. Sunday as the parents were inside the Mount of Olives Evangelical Church in Palm Bay, a small storefront congregation, police reported. Services at the church begin about 10:15 a.m., according to the church website.

“This is an unfortunate incident, and our condolences and prayers go out to the family,” Palm Bay Police Chief Mario Augello said in a statement released by the agency.

Palm Bay police officers arrived at the church and learned that the infant girl had apparently been in the car for at least three hours as the outside temperature rose to 79 degrees. Experts say it only takes moments for a vehicle in the sun to get hotter.

The infant was rushed to Palm Bay Community Hospital less than two miles away, where doctors in the emergency room worked to stabilize her. The child was later pronounced dead, police reported. Police were working to determine which of the parents brought the child to the congregation and whether there were other distractions involved.

An autopsy was expected to be carried out this week to determine the exact cause of death.
(end of USA story)

In another article - the mother stated she thought that a church member had brought the baby in.

Apparently this is a SBC church

 

[JonC]

Sad.

 

[Van]

If I were pro-Christianity, I would think this is a tragic accident, but if I were an anti-Christ, I would suggest this must be negligent homicide. As an observer, I wonder why this death made the "news" rather than say the gun deaths in Chicago this month. Always remember the godless left is waging all out war on Christianity.

Five people were shot in a drive-by shooting early Sunday in West Garfield Park, Chicago police said. One of the victims, a 40-year-old woman, was shot multiple times and pronounced dead at a hospital. The other four victims were taken to various hospitals in fair condition. One of the victims told police that a person in a vehicle shot at them around 2 a.m. in the 4000-block of West Washington Street. No one is in custody at this time.

In another fatal shooting early Sunday, a man was shot to death just before 2:30 a.m. in the 1000-block of North California Avenue in the Humboldt Park neighborhood, police said. No one is in custody and area detectives are investigating.

A man was shot while riding a bicycle early Sunday on the Near North Side, police said. The 29-year-old man riding the bike was shot in the thigh and arm around 12:15 a.m. in the 600-block of West Scott Street and was taken to a hospital in good condition. No one is in custody at this time.​

 

[Scarlett O.]

If I were pro-Christianity, I would think this is a tragic accident, but if I were an anti-Christ, I would suggest this must be negligent homicide. As an observer, I wonder why this death made the "news" rather than say the gun deaths in Chicago this month. Always remember the godless left is waging all out war on Christianity.

How on EARTH is this benign article a war on Christianity? Are you saying that Christians never neglect their children?

I read an updated article that gave more information.

• The father got there earlier for Sunday School in another car.
• The mother, with four children, was running late for services after Sunday School. The 11-month-old was strapped in a car seat.
• She said that she thought a church member got her baby out of the car seat.
• After a 3-hour service, the baby was found still strapped to the car seat. She was pronounced dead on arrival with an internal body temperature of 108.
• The mother was described as inconsolable.

There IS no excuse for this child dying.

The mother's religion, ethnicity, duties in their church, their being Baptist, her husband not being able to take care of the children that morning, her running late, her being inconsolable and crying her eyes out, or ANY other excuse is UNacceptable.

When you are a mother or even a father, and you park and turn the car's ignition OFF and you have a strapped baby in a car it is YOUR responsibility to unstrap the baby and take it OUT of the car. THEN you can hand the baby off to a church member and only then.

This mother has been charged with aggravated homicide of a child. If convicted, she could receive up to 30 years.

Your claiming that this is left-wing reporting of anti-Christ reporters is impossible to understand.

I've read four articles about it this morning. None attacked the religious beliefs of the parents nor were attacking Christianity in general.

I read four benign reports of a horribly neglectful mother whose neglect caused the death of her child.

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[Salty]

Scarlett - Excellent post you made.
If I am not mistaken, I first saw this article on a conservative religious page.
(since I went back to post - and could not find it - I just googled.

The only reason I mentioned that they were Baptists was three fold:
1) Even Baptists are not immune from tragedy
2) This happened to a sister church
3) We need to pray not just for the mom - but the family and the entire church

 

[Scarlett O.]

Scarlett - Excellent post you made.
If I am not mistaken, I first saw this article on a conservative religious page.
(since I went back to post - and could not find it - I just googled.

The only reason I mentioned that they were Baptists was three fold:
1) Even Baptists are not immune from tragedy
2) This happened to a sister church
3) We need to pray not just for the mom - but the family and the entire church

I have prayed twice for all involved and will pray again.

 

[Van]

SNIP
The mother's religion, ethnicity, duties in their church, their being Baptist, her husband not being able to take care of the children that morning, her running late, her being inconsolable and crying her eyes out, or ANY other excuse is UNacceptable.

When you are a mother or even a father, and you park and turn the car's ignition OFF and you have a strapped baby in a car it is YOUR responsibility to unstrap the baby and take it OUT of the car. THEN you can hand the baby off to a church member and only then.

This mother has been charged with aggravated homicide of a child. If convicted, she could receive up to 30 years.

Your claiming that this is left-wing reporting of anti-Christ reporters is impossible to understand.

I've read four articles about it this morning. None attacked the religious beliefs of the parents nor were attacking Christianity in general.

I read four benign reports of a horribly neglectful mother whose neglect caused the death of her child.

1) We all have accidents, some costing the lives of others.
2) An accident is not "aggravated."
3) No one is arguing the Mother should not have removed the child.
4) The reason this story was selected, and hundreds of other deaths were not is because a Christian was involved. Easy to understand.
5) To highlight failures of Christians, but not report on say the Biden crime family attempt to fix Hunter's difficulty demonstrates the reality.

 

[canadyjd]

…...
4) The reason this story was selected, and hundreds of other deaths were not is because a Christian was involved. Easy to understand.
5) To highlight failures of Christians, but not report on say the Biden crime family attempt to fix Hunter's difficulty demonstrates the reality.

I am very cynical when it comes to news stories and the motivations of reporters.

However…

We are in the middle of summer. Every year babies die after being left in vehicles in the heat. This is tragic news that may actually save lives by making parents aware of the danger and pay closer attention to their children.

I don’t think this is an attempt to distract from politics (though that might not be a bad idea for those who see everything as partisan politics.)

peace to you

 

[JonC]

I am very cynical when it comes to news stories and the motivations of reporters.

However…

We are in the middle of summer. Every year babies die after being left in vehicles in the heat. This is tragic news that may actually save lives by making parents aware of the danger and pay closer attention to their children.

I don’t think this is an attempt to distract from politics (though that might not be a bad idea for those who see everything as partisan politics.)

peace to you

Thing is, we know about these babies that die every year from being left in a car. We know because they are reported. This is the first I have heard that was of child of a pastor.

The complaint (not you) that reporting these types of tragic events if it involves pastors is an attack on Christianity is a bit skewed.

 

[Scarlett O.]

1) We all have accidents, some costing the lives of others.
2) An accident is not "aggravated."
3) No one is arguing the Mother should not have removed the child.
4) The reason this story was selected, and hundreds of other deaths were not is because a Christian was involved. Easy to understand.
5) To highlight failures of Christians, but not report on say the Biden crime family attempt to fix Hunter's difficulty demonstrates the reality.

Van, in Florida, "aggravated" homicide is when someone is killed due to another's "gross or culpable negligence." That's exactly what this was. A mother's gross negligence. She KNOWINGLY left her child in the car. She said so. She didn't mean for the baby to die. She was devastated. However, it was NOT, NOT, NOT an accident - hence the possible 30 years in prison.

This was NOT an article bashing Christians. I read four of the articles and never saw one word bringing an ugly light to Christians.

This would be newsworthy if the mother were an atheist leaving her child in the car thinking one of her book club members had her baby.

I know the games that the media plays. However, this was not one of them.

When will people learn NOT to leave their babies and even pets in the car?

 

[Van]

Van, in Florida, "aggravated" homicide is when someone is killed due to another's "gross or culpable negligence." That's exactly what this was. SNIP

All of us can have something slip our mind. Accidents occur to the best of us. Distractions can upset the apple cart.

 

[Van]

I am very cynical when it comes to news stories and the motivations of reporters.

However…

We are in the middle of summer. Every year babies die after being left in vehicles in the heat. This is tragic news that may actually save lives by making parents aware of the danger and pay closer attention to their children.

I don’t think this is an attempt to distract from politics (though that might not be a bad idea for those who see everything as partisan politics.)

peace to you

There's science behind why parents leave kids in hot cars

Here is a link that suggest why an average of 38 kids are left to die in hot cars each year.

 

[canadyjd]

There's science behind why parents leave kids in hot cars

Here is a link that suggest why an average of 38 kids are left to die in hot cars each year.

From the link….

David Diamond, a professor in Florida, has a theory that parents are not at fault when they leave babies in cars. Their memories are at fault. Because of lack of sleep and not developing a set patterns. It’s a theory, not “science”.

Even if true, it doesn’t legally change anything. The parents are legally and morally responsible for the safety of their children. This theory may give some cover for moral responsibility (I don’t think so), but legally they are accountable.

I guess they could call this professor as an expert witness at trial to explain the “I just forgot” defense.

Who knows, it might sway a jury to ignore the dead baby left in the car.

peace to you

 

[Van]

From the link….

David Diamond, a professor in Florida, has a theory that parents are not at fault when they leave babies in cars. Their memories are at fault. Because of lack of sleep and not developing a set patterns. It’s a theory, not “science”.

Even if true, it doesn’t legally change anything. The parents are legally and morally responsible for the safety of their children. This theory may give some cover for moral responsibility (I don’t think so), but legally they are accountable.

I guess they could call this professor as an expert witness at trial to explain the “I just forgot” defense.

Who knows, it might sway a jury to ignore the dead baby left in the car.

peace to you

My point is that lots of people have accidents, some fatal. To my way of thinking, I presume innocence rather than guilt.

 

[Scarlett O.]

All of us can have something slip our mind. Accidents occur to the best of us. Distractions can upset the apple cart.

It didn't slip her mind. She KNEW the baby was in the car. She hadn't had a lack of sleep as your link suggests excuses these things.

She KNEW, as she stated, that the baby was strapped in the car seat in the car. She thought a church member was going to take car of him.

It's not an accident. It's inexcusable. And your defense of it is puzzling

 

[Van]

It didn't slip her mind. She KNEW the baby was in the car. She hadn't had a lack of sleep as your link suggests excuses these things.

She KNEW, as she stated, that the baby was strapped in the car seat in the car. She thought a church member was going to take car of him.

It's not an accident. It's inexcusable. And your defense of it is puzzling

I am sorry, but I am not a mind reader knowing a person is guilty because of omniscience. She had a fatal accident. Why she relied on flawed thinking is unknown. Full stop. She is to be presumed innocent, rather than guilty, just as scripture requires. Since this accident occurs over and over, to claim they all are guilty, rather than say, have the horn sound if a baby is in a car seat and no one is sitting in the driver's seat when all the doors are closed. This design enhancement might save dozens of lives per year.

 

[Scarlett O.]

I am sorry, but I am not a mind reader knowing a person is guilty because of omniscience. She had a fatal accident. Why she relied on flawed thinking is unknown. Full stop. She is to be presumed innocent, rather than guilty, just as scripture requires. Since this accident occurs over and over, to claim they all are guilty, rather than say, have the horn sound if a baby is in a car seat and no one is sitting in the driver's seat when all the doors are closed. This design enhancement might save dozens of lives per year.

I give up, Van. You have not listened to one factual thing I have said.

The woman confessed that she knew the baby was in the car and walked away thinking someone else would tend to her baby.

I won't be back to this thread. It is literally driving me crazy.

 

[Van]

I give up, Van. You have not listened to one factual thing I have said.

The woman confessed that she knew the baby was in the car and walked away thinking someone else would tend to her baby.

I won't be back to this thread. It is literally driving me crazy.

I addressed an issue that could save dozens of lives, whereas tossing a person in the clink will save no one and allow the root cause to continue.