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Back by popular demand - An often unpopular view of the Atonement

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by JonC, Dec 1, 2018.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    God cannot recreate us until and after His wrath towards our sins and sin natures is expediate/appeased in full though!
     
    #61 Yeshua1, Dec 6, 2018
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    God did not punish Jesus Himself for what he had done, but he punished our sin debt that was placed upon Him in full while upon that Cross...
     
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    [ edited, provocative content ]
     
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    Why did Jesus have to die, if not for our sins then?
     
    #64 Yeshua1, Dec 6, 2018
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    God has righteous anger towards sins and sinners not saved, did He not show that on Sodom, and in the Flood?
     
    #65 Yeshua1, Dec 6, 2018
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    Why do you divorce "Pauline theology" from the whole?
     
    #66 JonC, Dec 6, 2018
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    He had to die because we are sinners - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

    (Please notice my statement....you are addressing @Martin Marprelate 's misunderstanding rather than what I actually posted in the OP).
    You said it was like God punching Himself in the nose. Sin is not a thing that can be punished.... or transferred.
     
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    Again, why would God have a sinless man die, if not for their place/in stead of lost sinners?
     
    #68 Yeshua1, Dec 6, 2018
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    As a propitiation for our sin.
     
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    Paul theology is the greatest in entire Bible, as he gave to us in whole the Christian revelation from God on who Jesus was and is, what the Church was and is and will be, and what the atonement consisted of, and what and how God did it thru the Cross!
     
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    The Propitiation for the wrath of God towards sins and sinners, correct?
     
    #71 Yeshua1, Dec 6, 2018
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    Really? Greater than Peter's "God breathed" theology? Greater than Jesus' theology? Greater BBC than James? John?
     
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    An appeasement of God's wrath.
     
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    Greater in the sense of being the fullest and most complete of the revelation from God to us, as all scripture is equally inspired by God, but God chose to revel to Paul the deepest things of the faith!
     
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    God's wrath toward sin and sinners, correct?
     
    #75 Yeshua1, Dec 6, 2018
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    "God has righteous anger " Which is nothing like our own. Nothing frustrates God. Nothing has to happen the way it happens FOR GOD at the wink of an eye.
     
    #76 utilyan, Dec 6, 2018
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    God is a jealous God, and His anger blasted the Egyptian army, correct?
     
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