Baptism of and Being Filled with the Holy Ghost

[Gershom]

This is sort of a continuation of the "Would You Fellowship" thread where I posted a certain group's Doctrinal Statement.

Now, I would like your input on this particular 'distinctive' from the same group.

This is from their website:

We believe that it is God's desire that all believers live their lives under the control of or being continuously filled with the Holy Ghost. We believe there are many fillings and there is to be an ongoing filling ministry of the Spirit in the life of the believer for empowerment to effectively and victoriously live a life that glorifies God. (Acts 1:8, 2:4, 3:10, 4:8, 4:31).


1. We believe the Holy Ghost fills or empowers believers for service in the Kingdom of God. Being filled with the Holy Ghost is the result of continuing submission to Divine power and control. (Acts 1:8, Ephesians 5:18).

2. We believe all believers are baptized with the Holy Ghost and all believers "should be" filled with the Holy Ghost. (I Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 5:18).

3. We believe in the Baptism of the Holy Ghost and the filling of the Holy Ghost is a distinct, separate, valid and valuable ministry of the Holy Ghost, which may occur simultaneously at salvation. Being filled with the Holy Ghost may and should occur subsequent to salvation in obedience to biblical exhortation. The Baptism of the Holy Ghost occurs once and for all, at salvation. Being filled with the Holy Ghost should not only be a continuous reality, but an ongoing characteristic of the believers consecrated holiness.

What say ye? Upon the baptism of the Holy Ghost at salvation, is there a "filling" that is an ongoing process for the believer?

If I recall correctly, R.A. Torrey was one who taught this.

 

[TaterTot]

I think that we need to remember that Acts is a "transitional" period. The book covers a period of about 30ish years, and there are only 3 accounts of the tongues issue. (CH 2. 10, 19) I think many folks get the "John's baptism" confused thus bringing in the "Second blessing" idea.
I know a lady of this persuasion that told me recently when we were discussing the Holy Ghost/Spirit that she just couldnt call him the Holy Spirit. (KJV calls him Ghost, although the underlying word is the same)She was taught that the "SPirit" is the Trinity, and the Holy Ghost is the facet of the "Spirit" that functions as discussed above. Confusing...

 

[SpiritualMadMan]

Hmmmmmmmmmm ????

Should I get involved or not?

Hmmmmmmmmmm ????

Well...

I did start to write a rather long dissertation...

Then decided to delete it...

Maybe at another time I will share some of my testimony with you all...

 

[Gershom]

C'mon SMM ... share with us.

 

[Ray Berrian]

Gershom,

QUOTE: 'I agree with your post. We are baptized into the Spirit of God when we first get saved. God fills us with the Spirit as we ask Him to do this. I, personally, don't think that he fills us if we are disobedient to the Lord. Living a life of Christian holiness is vitally important in the Christian life.'

Another good writer is A.W. Tozer. He wrote "The Attributes of God."

 

[MEE]

Baptism of the Holy Ghost:

Acts 2:4) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The approxiamtely 120 people, in the upper room, knew what had happened. They knew that God had filled them with His Spirit.

Keep in mind that the multitude had not heard that God had poured out His Spirit, until approximately three hours later.

Acts 2:6) "Now when this was noised abroad the multitude came together..."

Acts 2:15-17)
15) For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16) But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: .....

Peter verified the fact of what had happened:

Acts 2:33) Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, which ye now see and hear.

Some may see it differently, but this is what I see in God's word and have experienced.

MEE

 

[HisMercy]

What about in John when Jesus breathed on the disciples and they received the Holy Spirit?

 

[HisMercy]

What about in John when Jesus breathed on the disciples and they received the Holy Spirit?

 

[Ray Berrian]

QUOTE:

I had a time in my life only a few years ago that I asked the Lord to forgive me for only praying, through the years to Jesus. Now at times I pray to and through the Father and the Holy Spirit, but never neglecting praying to Jesus, my Lord.

Is there any chance that we are doing wrong to only pray to Jesus?

I guess I am glad that I live under the canopy of Romans 8:26 which says,

'Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities; for we know not what we should pray for as we ought. But the Spirit Himself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.'

Dr. Berrian

 

[MEE]

Originally posted by HisMercy:
What about in John when Jesus breathed on the disciples and they received the Holy Spirit?

HisMercy, I believe that Jesus meant for the disciples to receive the Holy Ghost at the time when it was to be given to every individual, which happened on the Day of Pentecost.

Acts 2:4) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost,..........

Matthew 3:11) I (John) indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier that I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire.

MEE

 

[BobRyan]

The baptism of the Holy Ghost as seen in Acts 2 - fell upon believers that were themselves - already baptized. While Joel 2 finds fulfillment in Acts 2- it also applies to the end of time.

Acts 2 becomes then the spring rain - and in the last days there will be a fall rain - a latter rain.

Having said that - Christians in every age needed to be born again and filled with the Spirit of God as were the disciples while walking with Christ in Acts chapter 1. But the chapter 2 experience was still coming.

In Christ,

Bob