trying2understand
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What would be the names of some good pre-Reformation Baptist theologians or Baptist commentators?
Ron
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The apostle Paul comes to mind. James, Peter, John the Revelator...
Oh, and there was this Jesus guy.....
Oh, and there was this Jesus guy.....
Jesus walked from Nazareth to Beth-abara (about 45 miles) to be identified with John the Baptist (Jewish also, probably a Nazarite Luke 1:15)
But I digress....
My point is we Baptists take our heritage from the New Testament, their doctrines are ours. So it makes sense to me to call them the first Baptist writers, commentators, etc....
But I digress....
My point is we Baptists take our heritage from the New Testament, their doctrines are ours. So it makes sense to me to call them the first Baptist writers, commentators, etc....
Curtis:
You said, My point is we Baptists take our heritage from the New Testament, their doctrines are ours. So it makes sense to me to call them the first Baptist writers, commentators, etc....
According to the Bible John's baptism was for the remission of sins. In Mark 1:4, the Bible says," John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism for the remission of repentance for the remission of sins."
My baptist friends have told me that they do not baptize for the remission of sins. Are they right or wrong?
If they are correct, your previous statement about your doctrine being from the New Testament is in correct,according to Mark 1:4, Acts 2:38 and a host of other passages.
You said, My point is we Baptists take our heritage from the New Testament, their doctrines are ours. So it makes sense to me to call them the first Baptist writers, commentators, etc....
According to the Bible John's baptism was for the remission of sins. In Mark 1:4, the Bible says," John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism for the remission of repentance for the remission of sins."
My baptist friends have told me that they do not baptize for the remission of sins. Are they right or wrong?
If they are correct, your previous statement about your doctrine being from the New Testament is in correct,according to Mark 1:4, Acts 2:38 and a host of other passages.
trying2understand
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If you so wish. How about a name of a Baptist theologian or commentator between the years 150 and the reformation.
No doubt you could give me a long list of names that come after the reformation. Why not before then?
Ron
Justn Martyr
Irenaeus
Hippolytus
Tertullian
Cyprian
Cyril of Jerusalem
Ambrose
Jerome
Basil of Caeserea
Augustine
Chrysostom
Just to name a few.
Of course they didnt call themselves Baptist but dont forget we didnt pick that name. It was tagged on us by those who didnt like the fact that we were re-baptizing those who came to Christ from Protestant and Roman churches. (ana-baptist- re-baptizers). You read too much RC revisionist history.
Matt 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Irenaeus
Hippolytus
Tertullian
Cyprian
Cyril of Jerusalem
Ambrose
Jerome
Basil of Caeserea
Augustine
Chrysostom
Just to name a few.
Of course they didnt call themselves Baptist but dont forget we didnt pick that name. It was tagged on us by those who didnt like the fact that we were re-baptizing those who came to Christ from Protestant and Roman churches. (ana-baptist- re-baptizers). You read too much RC revisionist history.
Matt 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
trying2understand
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Perhaps I didn't pose my original question very well.
I am looking for a name of a commentator that fairly well presented the Baptist distinctions prior to the reformation.
Calvin seems to be the earliest that I can find.
The list the Psalm provided is problematic because, while one or two of them may have said something that sounds like it may support one of the Baptist distinctives, in no way could they be described as "baptistic" in their beliefs.
It just seems to me that in that period of over a thousand years, baptistic believers would have written something summarizing Baptist type beliefs. That assumes of course that such believers did in fact exist.
Who would Calvin have drawn from?
Ron
I am looking for a name of a commentator that fairly well presented the Baptist distinctions prior to the reformation.
Calvin seems to be the earliest that I can find.
The list the Psalm provided is problematic because, while one or two of them may have said something that sounds like it may support one of the Baptist distinctives, in no way could they be described as "baptistic" in their beliefs.
It just seems to me that in that period of over a thousand years, baptistic believers would have written something summarizing Baptist type beliefs. That assumes of course that such believers did in fact exist.
Who would Calvin have drawn from?
Ron
What? Not a Mormon in the bunch?Originally posted by WPutnam:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MEE:
Baptist commentators?....these guys...Baptist? Naw, they were Apostolic Pentecostals.
Better think before you respond.
MEE</font>
God bless,
PAX
Bill+†+
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..Nope, just Apostolic Pentecostals.
MEE
[ October 12, 2002, 05:40 PM: Message edited by: MEE ]
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Hi there, I really dont think we can claim Augustine (or would want to!). He wrote his thesis on infant baptism "Contra the Donatists", strongly suggesting that the Donatists practiced believers baptism. When he arrived in Hippo, the local Donatist church was going great, so he called out the Imperial troops to force the people to attend his Catholic church. Baptists dont like this mix of church and state. The Donatists called themselves the truth which suffers persecution, but which does not persecute. Interestingly, when challenged by the Donatists to justify one Christian persecuting another, he refered to his doctrine of post/a-millenialism to justify it.
When the Catholics (and the Roman army) finally destroyed the Donatists, the Muslims swept through and the church disappeared from North Africa for over 1000 years. Having destroyed a true church, the false church was unable to stand.
Not an Augustinian, all the best, Colin
Yep, I have encountered them here in Pensacola.Originally posted by MEE:
..Nope, just Apostolic Pentecostals.
MEE
I normally wear a 3 inch Benedictine crucifix on the outside and in view, and when I encountered one of them, known prominantly here in town, he was unable to speak!
You figure.....
Seriously, I think it intimidates others, who know that I will defend my faith when challenged!
It also keeps me honest! The tendency to use profanity is greatly reduced when I wear it!
God bless,
PAX
Bill+†+
Christ has no body now but yours;
No hands, no feet on earth but yours,
Yours are the eyes with which he looks
Compassion on this world.
Yours are the feet with which he walks to do good.
Yours are the hands with which
he blesses all the world.
Christ has no body now on earth but yours.
- St. Therese of Avila -
Originally posted by WPutnam:
Yep, I have encountered them here in Pensacola.Originally posted by MEE:
[qb]..Nope, just Apostolic Pentecostals.
MEE
I normally wear a 3 inch Benedictine crucifix on the outside and in view, and when I encountered one of them, known prominantly here in town, he was unable to speak!
You figure.....
Seriously, I think it intimidates others, who know that I will defend my faith when challenged!
It also keeps me honest! The tendency to use profanity is greatly reduced when I wear it!
God bless,
PAX
Bill+†+
Why do you think that the person was speechless?
Also, how would a three inch Benedictine crucifix be able to keep you honest and reduce you from using profanity?
Seriously, I've never heard of this before now.
MEE
[ October 14, 2002, 02:56 PM: Message edited by: MEE ]
Speechless, only because the individual did not want to confront a "serious Christian," I suppose, in an attempt to "witness" to me.
Secondly, I said the "profanity" thing more in jest and to reveal that I am a Christian still subject to sin, thus having it around me helps, knowing how much of a scandal it would be if I did "sware." Actually, I would not sware if I did not ware it, but I could do so in my heart, and knowing that I have the crucifix on me helps.
God bless,
PAX
Bill+†+
Christus Vincit! Christus Regnat! Christus Imperat!
[ October 15, 2002, 01:55 PM: Message edited by: WPutnam ]
Speechless, only because the individual did not what to confront a "serious Christian," I suppose, in an attempt to "witness" to me.
Secondly, I said the "profanity" thing more in jest and to reveal that I am a Christian still subject to sin, thus having it around me helps, knowing how much of a scandal it would be if I did "sware." Actually, I would not sware if I did not ware it, but I could do so in my heart, and knowing that I have the crucifix on me helps.
God bless,
PAX
Bill+†+
Christus Vincit! Christus Regnat! Christus Imperat!</font>[/QUOTE]And what would your definition of a "serious Christian" be, if I may ask?
Also, do you feel that this crucifix has more power than the Spirit of God to keep one from sinning?
MEE
Dualhunter
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Doesn't help your spelling much
One who practices his/her faith.
No physical object on this earth has greater power then the Lord and Creator.Also, do you feel that this crucifix has more power than the Spirit of God to keep one from sinning?
But the Crucifix constantly reminds me of Him, the second person of the Trinity, and who is God, just like the cross reminds you on the steeple of your church (which I presume you have).
As for keeping from sinning, I pray a lot. I also receive Him in His body and blood in the Eucharist daily, or as often as I can.
It is that simple...
God bless,
PAX
Bill+†+
Christ has no body now but yours;
No hands, no feet on earth but yours,
Yours are the eyes with which he looks
Compassion on this world.
Yours are the feet with which he walks to do good.
Yours are the hands with which
he blesses all the world.
Christ has no body now on earth but yours.
- St. Therese of Avila -
[ October 14, 2002, 05:34 PM: Message edited by: WPutnam ]