Baptist Confession of Faith sectn 19 -- why Baptists oppose themselves on this

I don't know why they oppose their own teaching -- but I do not know that this part of their document is getting a lot of Bible doctrine right. Sadly it is often left "to me" to defend the teaching of section 19 while Baptist members here devote themselves to opposing its teaching. I find that "odd".


Baptist Confession of Faith - section 19
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19. The Law of God

1. God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

2. The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the Ten Commandments, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

3. Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

4. To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

5. The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.

6. Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be justified or condemned by it, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, because as a rule of life it informs them of the will of God and their duty and directs and binds them to walk accordingly. It also reveals and exposes the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts and lives, and using it for self-examination they may come to greater conviction of sin, greater humility and greater hatred of their sin. They will also gain a clearer sight of their need of Christ and the perfection of His own obedience. It is of further use to regenerate people to restrain their corruptions, because of the way in which it forbids sin. The threatenings of the law serve to show what their sins actually deserve, and what troubles may be expected in this life because of these sins even by regenerate people who are freed from the curse and undiminished rigours of the law. The promises connected with the law also show believers God's approval of obedience, and what blessings they may expect when the law is kept and obeyed, though blessing will not come to them because they have satisfied the law as a covenant of works. If a man does good and refrains from evil simply because the law encourages to the good and deters him from the evil, that is no evidence that he is under the law rather than under grace.

7. The aforementioned uses of the law are not contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but they sweetly comply with it, as the Spirit of Christ subdues and enables the will of man to do freely and cheerfully those things which the will of God, which is revealed in the law, requires to be done.

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Some Baptists also agree that the Bible has 66 books in it... do you agree with them?

 

The one I am quoting.. exists .. and is the subject of this thread but as you point out every has their right to differ.

Pretty funny!

I am fine with everyone having their own preferences.

But I am not a Baptist... so it seems a little odd to me that the non-Baptists have to defend the "Baptist Confession of Faith" to Baptists. One might "expect" that a "few Baptists" at least would take the side of the "Baptist Confession of Faith" in those discussions.

 

That is the 1689 version - the one I am quoting is the expanded on that C.H.Spurgeon published in the 19th century.

 

Why would the French be the only ones defending the principles underlined in the U.S. Constitution while Americans take it as an offense that the Constitution had someone promoting it?

We would expect that at least 'some Americans" actually endorse the American Constitution... not merely the French.

 

That is the title in the document and in the OP

What part of "I did not title the document" -- it already had that title that I quoted -- do you not understand??

 

Because the French are not Americans and I am not Baptist. We can't blame the French for the content of the American constitution and we can blame Adventists for the content of the "Baptist Confession of Faith"

 

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The Gospel

And we also teaching that we should not take God's name in vain.
This is the easy part.

Even your own Baptist Confession of Faith admits that we should not be at war against God's Ten Commandments.

Or decides to dishonor parents? Eph 6:2
Or decides to take God's name in vain? Ex 20:7
Or decides to covet? Romans 13
Or decides to lie? Romans 13

Seriously??

How about this - read your own "Baptist Confession of Faith" section 19 -- they also know that sin is not what saints are being called to engage in.

(Why do Baptists find themselves at odds with their own Baptist Confession of Faith so often on these boards?)

I assume you never heard of "General Baptists"

C.H. Spurgeon?

1689 Second London Baptist Confession of Faith?

The confession was first published in London in 1677 under the title "A confession of Faith put forth by the Elders and Brethren of many Congregations of Christians, Baptized upon Profession of their Faith in London and the Country. With an Appendies concerning Baptism."[3] It was based on the Westminster Confession of Faith (1646) and the Savoy Declaration (1658), with modifications to reflect Baptist views on church organization and baptism.[3] The confession was published again, under the same title, in 1688 and 1689.[3]

 

It argues that the 4th commandment is part of the Ten and is still included in the moral law of God - written on the heart as are all the Ten .. according to that document.

Details matter.

They also accept that the Bible has 66 books. Your flawed proposal that everything they teach must be in error if they do not perfectly reflect the accurate Bible teaching on the Sabbath ... is itself flawed.

 

I would hope we could get to the point where no one was. That seems to me to be an easy first step.

 

Baptist Confession of Faith - section 19
===========================================
19. The Law of God

1. God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

2. The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the Ten Commandments, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

3. Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

4. To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

5. The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.

6. Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be justified or condemned by it, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, because as a rule of life it informs them of the will of God and their duty and directs and binds them to walk accordingly. It also reveals and exposes the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts and lives, and using it for self-examination they may come to greater conviction of sin, greater humility and greater hatred of their sin. They will also gain a clearer sight of their need of Christ and the perfection of His own obedience. It is of further use to regenerate people to restrain their corruptions, because of the way in which it forbids sin. The threatenings of the law serve to show what their sins actually deserve, and what troubles may be expected in this life because of these sins even by regenerate people who are freed from the curse and undiminished rigours of the law. The promises connected with the law also show believers God's approval of obedience, and what blessings they may expect when the law is kept and obeyed, though blessing will not come to them because they have satisfied the law as a covenant of works. If a man does good and refrains from evil simply because the law encourages to the good and deters him from the evil, that is no evidence that he is under the law rather than under grace.

7. The aforementioned uses of the law are not contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but they sweetly comply with it, as the Spirit of Christ subdues and enables the will of man to do freely and cheerfully those things which the will of God, which is revealed in the law, requires to be done.

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Some Baptists also agree that the Bible has 66 books in it... do you agree with them?

Until you actually read it.

Your use of creative writing and wishful thinking -- not the great "Solution" you have imagine it to be... again.

Notice the details in that Confession --

1. Ten Commandments included in the moral law of God given to mankind since Eden
2. Moral law of God written on the heart under the New Covenant
3. Applies to all mankind OT and NT.
4. Includes TEN Commandments - not merely NINE.
5. Is fully consistent with the Gospel
6. "what matters is keeping the Commandment of God" 1 Cor 7:19 has to include that moral law of God written on the heart under the New Covenant - which is the TEN Commandments

objective unbiased students of the Bible ... "notice the details"

Details matter.

 

1. The document does not call itself "A Baptist Confession of Faith" -- you of course can call it anything you like

2. My quote is the "verbatim one"