Baptist Pastors Not Believing the Whole Bible?

Surely not - that would be heretical to think that the KJV, or any translating team, were the 'holy men of God moved by the Holy Spirit' that the Bible refers to.

Though I disagree with my brother - I don't believe he is a heretic.

 

This would be the only way the KJV could by 100% inspired. I believe its misusing the term "inspiration." People want to make this claim(SOTL did it a couple months ago) but not realize what this claim actually means.

 

Not saying that he is BUT

There are indeed KJVO devotees who would hold that the KJV WAS directly inspired by God, in fact IS the word of God in English just as much as the original Greek/Hebrew texts were/are, and that even say that we can use the KJV to "correct" mistakes in the original language texts!

 

That's the view of those like Peter Ruckman. That's the "advanced revelation" group. I don't believe anyone here is advocated that here, though I have encountered them on other boards.

 

I am willing to buy that there are some SBC pastors out there that don't believe in a literal heaven or hell, acknowledge salvation apart from Christ and/or the partial inspiration of Scripture. I have not met one personally however that claimed any of these. I have met some in other denoms that did though.

 

Always will be in any Christian Church/grouping "Wolves in Sheeps clothing, who deny the very Master that died for them"

 

I grew up IFB. I knew far more IFBs who did not believe in an orthodox inspiration of Scripture than I've met among Southern Baptists. For that matter, I've met far more IFBs who accepted homosexuality, gambling, alcohol usage, and who believed that salvation could be attained aside from Jesus Christ than I've met in other denominations.

 

I took a few moments to glance through the article mentioned in the OP and if it is a sin to exaggerate the truth, gossip, be a tale-bearer and lie, then David Cloud has some repenting to do. He will stand in judgment for that article.

 

Evidently Mr. Cloud only holds sway with gullible folks whose minds are already made up and only need someone to prop up their belief system.

 

I just gave it a quick read over - I was amazed, even considering the source.

 

This topic does not belong in the bible version category. I read all the posts and saw how everyone turned it into a circus, took control and then moved it. Have any of you even read David Cloud's articles or visited his baptist website? Now some of you have stooped so low as to attack him!

You said you know of no baptist that denies the full inspiration of the bible. This is a rather broad statement and unfounded. You cannot possibly know for sure what everyone believes. Then you were asked which bible is 100% inspired. You didn't answer. The TRUTH is you guys who attack the KJV KNOW there are no perfect MV. They are NOT 100% inspired.

 

a quick read over!.. what are you afraid of?Go check out his site, spend the day and read everything he says. You'll learn something.

 

It isn't modern.. where did you hear such a lie? What negative people we have on here.

 

then please answer it!!!!!!!!!! YOU SAID THERE IS NO PERFECT BIBLE! SO ANSWER THE MAN'S QUESTION AND STOP BEATING AROUND THE BUSH. Please do ths before you ban me but i for one am sick of the negativity and attacks of the so called christians on here......
Farewell I pray your hearts will be open and teachable.

 

Did God inspire the KJV?

 

Whoa... back those horses up. Several have mentioned that they have read the article. I have read the article. I think it's full of innuendo and misunderstandings.

Those of us who know no Baptist pastors who do not believe in a literal hell, salvation by faith in Christ alone and the inspiration of Scripture have said that. Others have said that they know some.

Others have tried to answer his question. He is, I am sure, busy with other things and so has not interacted with those who tried to answer the question he posed.

I am certainly not attacking the KJV. I use another version, but I do not attack the KJV. I haven't seen anyone on here attacking the KJV. We disagree about whether it is the only acceptable version, but we are not attacking it.

 

My prayer is the same for you.

I would guess you are probably no older than in your 20's, and have very little in the way of an education in the Scriptures. If you did, you would be able to defend your beliefs without making unfair and unfounded accusations and railing against the brethren.

I remember when I was your age I thought I knew it all also. By the grace of God I learned better. I pray that you do also.

 

Well, you were graduated From TTU. Also Mexdeaf. David Cloud was graduated from same college. Why does TTU have a wrong Greek text for students to study because of unbelieving and naturalistic authors?

Suppose, when I was a student at TTU, I would demand good Bible courses by BELIEVING authors.

At another Baptist college the President warned me concerning Bible study courses for students to study saying, "problem with the doctrines." I was shocked to hear what he explained.

 

He didn't say that, he said he knew of no one.

Neither is the KJV...and we don't attack the KJV. The KJV is fine.

 

I'm sure he said that there is no perfect translation. I'm sure he believes the Bible is perfect. There is only one Bible. If I have bunch of Bibles in my home, that doesn't mean there is one Bible. What I have are a bunch of copies of the Bible.