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  1. agedman

    agedman Well-Known Member
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    Baptists should be biased and discriminate.

    They should not be ashamed or fail to push back against the politically correct thinking that any position or standard that is biased or discriminates is wrong, an evil that needs expunged.

    The Baptists are supposed to base all matters of both faith and practice (that includes living and manner of living) upon the principles of Scriptures. The Scriptures are supposed to be the absolute authority and final statement of belief and living.

    As such, Baptists need to discern and discriminate that which is righteous from that which is unrighteous and have no fellowship with work or workers of unrighteousness.

    As such, Baptists need to show great bias against any and anything which compromises the Scriptures and the teaching of the Scripture principles.

    Too many Baptists seem ashamed of bearing the brand, seem too weak to hold up and out the Word of God, and willing to embrace any "wind of doctrine" or what sounds good.

    Baptists should be biased and discriminate!


    5 Beliefs That Set Southern Baptists Apart From American Baptists
     
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    What happened to separation of church and state. If Baptists want to politicize then do so but also be OK with being taxed
     
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    The church holds the state responsible, not the other way around.

    Part of the argument Texas had with Roloff was on the issue of where does the “state” extending control become more than over building materials, safety and design.


    There is no constitutional rule separating the church from the state but the direction Jefferson felt important was the state from the church.
     
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    My church does not get involved with the state period the end.
     
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    Why not?

    If any group should try to influence the political it should be the church!

    What other voice can actually present the truth?
     
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    Its not your job to stand up and moralize.....it is your job to disciple saved people to spread the gospel.

    For what its worth, here is part of my Baptist Churches Statement of Faith.

    We believe that every Christian has a direct, personal, faith relationship with God; that each local church is autonomous and must be free from interference by any ecclesiastical or political authority; and that the Church and State must be kept separate. We further believe local churches best promote the cause of Christ by cooperating with one another through denominational organizations and through interdenominational fellowship with churches of like faith. These organizations exist and function by the will of the local Church. Participation in any conference is voluntary and may be terminated at any time.
     
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    Yes but in building the physical structure of church you certainly had to submit to the State and obey and maintain certain building codes so as to not put the lives of the worshipers at risk lest the State shut you down.

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    So, it is not shameful for perverts to control government, to make and take no statement about any perversion and excess of public office?

    You make no effort in teaching principles of leadership and exposing evil works of darkness?

    Even John the Baptist preached aboth the sin of Herod, and far greater sin abounds throughout the world systems.

    How can an assembly present righteousness to even the local community without having a voice?

    Even heathen Thomas Jefferson understood the local churches should and have a right to be heard throughout the political spectrum, that the political authorities had no right in the church.

    A Baptist pastor may serve in the legislative, judicial, executive branch. But none of those branches have authority in the assembly.
     
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    your an idealist aren't you? Did you rail against the presidents womanizing also?
     
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    Why not?

    Do folks not need true to life illustrations of practice lessons found in Scriptures, just as the Lord as a master teacher exampled?

    It is convenient to use Scripture characters, but time and distance tend to deaden the impact.

    However, if from the headlines one expresses the dangers and warnings that Scriptures attest, and in real life time people see the truths lived out, is there better examples of what the
    Lord also used?
     
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    So?
     
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    So buttons!

    HankD
     
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    If you two clowns really think any Christian is going to sit there while some pastor pontificates on political agenda :rolleyes:

    Feet’s get ta stepping:Tongue
     
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    I suppose then that your assembly does not point out sin as being exceedingly sinful?

    You do not use any contemporary examples of sinful behaviors, sinful policies, sinful decrees?

    Did not John the Baptist as well as all the prophets proclaim against political and personal sin?

    Did not Christ?


    Irenaeus writing about Polycarp says:

    "...There are also those who heard from him that John, the disciple of the Lord, going to bathe at Ephesus, and perceiving Cerinthus within, rushed out of the bath-house without bathing, exclaiming, "Let us fly, lest even the bath-house fall down, because Cerinthus, the enemy of the truth, is within." And Polycarp himself replied to Marcion, who met him on one occasion, and said, "Dost thou know me? ""I do know thee, the first-born of Satan." Such was the horror which the apostles and their disciples had against holding even verbal communication with any corrupters of the truth; as Paul also says, "A man that is an heretic, after the first and second admonition, reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself." There is also a very powerful Epistle of Polycarp written to the Philippians, from which those who choose to do so, and are anxious about their salvation, can learn the character of his faith, and the preaching of the truth. Then, again, the Church in Ephesus, founded by Paul, and having John remaining among them permanently until the times of Trajan, is a true witness of the tradition of the apostles...." (Adv. Haer., III.3.4.)​

    I would not belong to an assembly that was so timid as to purposely not speak publicly and forcefully about sin no matter where it occurred - even that of the political.
     
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    Yea well they are wimps I agree. No worries, they do not even try to cultivate generation X ... don’t develop disciples ....my God don’t even return phone calls. Where will that put them in a few years...Dead, Dead,Dead.
     
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    I will tell ya what, do you want to talk to them yourself?
     
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    Nah, if they are that dead, let them bury themselves.

    Me, I plan to be cremated.

    It's that last opportunity for me to have a smoking hot body.

    :)
     
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    Now that’s funny
     
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    Based on the bible I both agree with you and disagree with you. Believers must declare what is right and good and what is wrong and evil (Isaiah 5:20). For doing this we will most likely be hated by the world, as Jesus was when he confronted the powers of his day. That said, when it comes to casting off the unrighteous that is different and the bible talks to it. 2 Corinthians 6:14 tells us never to be yoked to unbelievers. Which would seem to indicate a level of closeness like a spouse or close friend or close professional associate. However, are we to detach form the world, well no, according to the bible (1 Corinthians 5:9-11). We cannot escape the world but must plead with it with our witness in all it forms. However, we are never to associate with believers who claim to walk the walk and are lying, or who are lost in sin and won't get out. I have also noticed and run aground on a similar thing, to not associate with those who teach and preach an erroneous Gospel (2 John 1:9-11).

    My issues I will take this to this board, as you guys tend to be those who set me straight. I seem to have wandered from the Way and must return.
     
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    Separation of Church and State
    The Big issue right now, is does an professional baker have the right to refuse to bake a cake for a h0mose*ual wedding?
    How involved should a local church get involved in this lawsuit?

    How about something more simple.
    Should the govt be able to tell a church that they must provide X number of handicap parking spots?
     
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