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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Van, Apr 26, 2021.

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    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

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    If you believe that you are lying to yourself.
    That's Van's reasoning, not Scripture.
    Jesus is the AUTHOR of our faith.
     
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    Scripture?
     
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    Then why would it say "he who has ears to hear" if there was nobody that could not hear?
     
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    No it doesn't. That's a lie.
     
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    We have been over this time and time again, that verse literally has nothing to do with Radical Depravity.
     
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    Next another Calvinist posts and reposts over and over denial and insult. This is all they have folks,
     
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    The gift of salvation is obtained by God crediting our faith and devotion toward Christ as righteousness. Thus the gifts of salvation (being made righteous, being justified, being forgiven, being indwelt, and our future bodily redemption and eternal life with Christ) arise from our credited faith in Christ. Ek Pisteos appears to be used in at least two ways:

    1) out from Old Covenant Faith and into New Covenant Faith, and

    2) the benefits of salvation arising from our faith in Christ being credited as righteousness by God. Everyone believing into Christ shall not perish but have eternal life, but God alone determines those believing by crediting their faith as righteousness.

    A third usage (the righteous man will live by faith - ek pisteos) is where the idea is behaving in accordance with faithfulness toward God and His Christ. See Romans 1:17, Galatians 3:11, and Hebrews 10:38.
     
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    And another post not actually discussing the issue and posting personal attacks. This is your MO Van and it is getting old. Hopefully the mods will finally reign you in, but until then, what does it mean to you that Jesus is the author of our faith?
     
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    Yet another direct attack on me. And another reference to "author" but not to the rebuttal. When will the Mods reign those who charge me with lying or waste page after page asking the same banal questions? In a Court the Judge might say, move it along...
     
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    Or the judge might say, "Answer the question."
     
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    No the Judge would stop your obfuscation in a heart beat, Sir. Still no response to the rebuttal of "author" as not meaning "instiller!"

    When the Greek reads "ek pisteos" one of the ideas is benefiting from Christ's faithfulness in that He sacrificed Himself as a ransom for all, and of course provided God credits our faith in Christ's sacrifice.
     
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    2 Corinthians 2:15-16 (NASB)
    For we are a fragrance of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing;
    to the one an aroma from death to death, to the other an aroma from life to life. And who is adequate for these things?

    In the above passage we see Paul using a similar Greek construction to express a similar concept. Out of one situation and into another situation.

    An aroma presents to God the pending Justice of Christ. Those who are perishing present an aroma of those who are spiritually dead and heading into the Second Death, whereas those who have been placed in Christ present an aroma of those who are spiritually alive and heading into their bodily redemption.

    Similarly Romans 1:17 indicates that in the gospel, the righteousness of God is revealed "from faith into faith." Or, as interpreted by me, from Old Covenant Faith into New Covenant Faith. Gentiles, having no Old Covenant Faith are saved through or by means of New Covenant Faith.
     
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    Amen.
    Please list the Scriptures for your support of this.
    John 8:43...
    " Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word."

    What did He tell those that could not hear His words?
    Why they could not:
    John 8:47...
    " He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God."
     
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    Which is then answered by the question, "If a God who will have everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth ( 1 Timothy 2:4 ), does this, then how does that prove that He actually wants them to be saved?"

    If He allows people to be blinded to the Gospel ( 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 ), or blinds them Himself ( Romans 11:7-8, John 12:37-41 ), or even speaks to some in parables so that they will not hear and see and be converted ( Matthew 13:10-17, Mark 4:11-12, Luke 8:4-10 ), then how does that prove that He really wants ALL men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth?
    God's election of His people from the foundation of the world ( what you call, "Calvinism" ), does not in any way negate Romans 4:16.
    Faith being given as a gift which the believer then uses, is perfectly in harmony with God's grace being completely unmerited.
    The religious hypocrites in Matthew 23:13 who sought God by the works of the Law and were willfully blind to their own need of salvation by the grace of God,
    affirms the "T",
    because if they were born again, they would have willingly received and believed the Lord Jesus' words instead of rejecting them.
    But because they were not God's children and were not of God ( John 8:43-47 ), they did not have ears to hear.

    Also, because of their sinfulness and hard-heartedness, they were hindering the ones who sought Him from a changed heart by faith from entering in to their kingdom ( prepared for them from the foundation of the world as Matthew 25:34 tells us ) by teaching them salvation by works, Van.

    In other words, the religious sought it not by faith,
    but were instead hindering ( by confusing them with false teachings ) those that were seeking it by God-given faith.;)


    See the book of Galatians for this never-ending problem that believers face.
     
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    My response was to ask you what it means, you still haven't responded.
     
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    Since you ask what everything means, your questions are a ploy to obfuscate.
     
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    Right, because it couldn't POSSIBLY be me trying to understand your point of view.... :rolleyes:
     
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    I provided compelling evidence that Jesus spoke in parables so that his audience would not hear and be healed. So the Calvinist ignores that and plows forward with another question. Twaddle
     
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    Me thinks thou protest too much... :)
    The "T" of Calvinism has once again been shown from scripture to be bogus.
     
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