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Featured Believers stay righteous by practicing righteousness

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Samuels, Aug 1, 2019.

  1. MB

    MB Well-Known Member

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    I've read the scriptures people claim that proves total depravity and none do that. not one of them I can however show many more that prove that God as well as man enter in to a Relationship. It's called a relationship because it takes both God and man
    Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
    All men are drawn to Christ.Not just the elect of a particular few.

    If total depravity is right then Christ and Paul are liars.
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  2. Nicolaus Mourer

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    Good thing the Father provided Christ so that doesn't happen to me. Christ paid for sins once for all. "Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin."

    If I trusted in myself, then yes, I can (and would) fall away from the faith.
    If I trusted in myself, then yes, I can (and would) cause myself to be estranged from Christ.
    If I trusted in myself, then yes, I can (and would) fall from grace.
    If I trusted in myself, then yes, I can (and would) draw back to perdition.
    If I trusted in myself, then yes, I can (and would) be considered a sinner in God's eye.
    If I trusted in myself, then yes, I can (and would) be blotted out of the Book of Life.

    By God's grace, however, I trust in Jesus Christ, so none of this could happen. Only through him am I secure, and not of myself.
     
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  3. Samuels

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    Okay, only through Him do you have NO free will,
    and only through Him art thou a robot.
    Terrific ... now, carry on in your delusions.
     
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    I am a card carrying Libertarian Free Willer and I would NEVER claim to have earned my salvation by works!

    Your boasting of maintaining your righteousness is in serious error, and you should learn the important truth behind this passage, friend!
    Eph 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    You'd best check the object of your faith. Beware, that you don't end boasting to the Lord at the judgment seat saying, "Lord, Lord, look at all the wonderful works "I" have done in Your Name!"
     
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  5. Samuels

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    Brother, please review my posts and learn that your verse above
    refers to one's INITIAL salvation when he receives everything!
    However, the whole of the NT epistles warns that ...
    one must maintain his righteous standing before the Lord.
    I'm not going to repeat all the details again here.
     
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    You'd have never got past me with this "INITIAL" salvation nonsense. Perhaps I will have time to address your "Restoration' Theology" heresy in the near future...
     
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    The delusion is thinking that your own works can wash away your sins.
     
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    The Lord Jesus Christ IS my righteousness. He is eternally righteous, therefore, I have an eternally righteous standing before the Father because of the merit of Christ.

    You are overthinking yourself into heresy, friend.
     
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  9. Samuels

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    Is posting NT verses heresy, friend?

    The OP gives the verses which say:
    those who practice righteousness are righteous.

    So, are you righteous?
    Or are you making excuses for living unrighteously?
     
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