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    37818 Well-Known Member

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    When ever any of us disagree, one or both are are in denial of some truth in believing something that is not true.
     
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    Or as modern Philosophy espouses "There is no truth.".
     
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    Who? The very statement "There is no truth" is a self contradictory fallacy.
     
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    A not agreed upon axiom being, a,self contradictory statement is never true.

    Such as "This sentence is false."
     
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    While that sentence refers to something that is false.
    The sentence itself.
     
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    I agree. I don't believe that, just pointing it out.
     
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    As with most all of us, we think what we believe to be true, or we wouldn't believe a thing. So at issue is there are what we think to be the Biblical meanings to be the correct understanding in which many of us disagree. Where one or both are believing something that is not true.

    Most of which, presumably all, we regard as secondary matters in our Christian faith.
     
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    “Modern Philosophy” doesn’t ‘say’ anything.

    Individual philosophers and schools of thought do have categories of viewpoints.

    The premise that truth does not exist or is unknowable, in a practical sense, is a minority viewpoint in epistemology. The very premise is self-contradictory.

    The use of the philosophical discipline essentially requires that things can be known (aka truth).
     
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    I agree. Visit a University philosophy class and listen to the garbage you will now hear.
     
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    I had about four or five semesters of philosophy classes in college, so I greatly appreciate philosophy as a discipline.

    Unfortunately, it is often poorly taught and/or taught by teaching assistants who are not necessarily qualified to lead a class.

    Moreover, college classes are often so large that the class ends up simply doing readings and summarizing various viewpoints on tests without actually challenging those viewpoints in a Socratic dialogue with other students or the professor. Those times in class discussion is where one discovers how to have a discussion, process new information, and modify one’s position as necessary. That is philosophy in action/practice.

    Without that interchange of ideas — either in the classroom or in late night discussions — philosophy classes are nearly useless.
     
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    How long ago were you on College? Philosophy is becoming post modern.
     
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    I took philosophy classes from 1986-1989. We dealt with the strengths and weaknesses of modernism and postmodernism, phenomenology, aesthetics, epistemlogy, as well as other disciplines and viewpoints during those years.
     
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    You back in my era. Nothing like 2020 era.
     
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    Back in 1980, Computer Science was still a young Major and the University that I attended had the same department teach Mathematics, Philosophy and Computer Science. It made for some interesting discussions in the Student Union building. Zeno’s paradoxes on motion, Max Black’s infinity machines and Fortran IV on a mainframe … strange times.
     
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    People are masters at believing what is not true. Isn’t that one of the points from the later part of Romas 1?

    Before you were saved, did you think you were all right?
    Who “thinks” like God thinks … right from the womb?
    “Speck” in neighbor’s eye, “plank” in our eye …
     
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    When I believed it was based on a few things.
    The notion one can know for sure. That cited Scripture was the word of God, and God cannot lie. The following passages. Romans 3:10. Romans 3:23. Romans 5:12. Romans 6:23. Romans 5:8. Romans 10:9. Romans 10:13. Revelation 3:20. Today, I also know those things were not a lie.
     
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    I'm not so sure about that. I talk to a lot of college students and folks in their late 20s about philosophical and spiritual things. The questions are essentially the same as well as the ways of thinking about them.
     
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    The majority of those we who believe what is not true do so thinking what they are believing to be the truth.
     
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    If you know or think you know a fellow believer who believes something you know or think you know is not true. What truth or truths can help said fellow believer or believers that believing in error might see, that one might be able to change one's mind?
     
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