"Biblical" Segregation

that "Scandal" couple was specifically to git yer goat, Tim...

 

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

Sounds to me like Pastor_Bob know whereof he was speaking, contrary to one poster. (Also sounds like someone should apologize to him, as well. )

AND the premise given for the book in the first place is based on faulty exegesis. There was no curse pronounced on Ham; the curse was pronounced on Canaan. I'm assuming most have heard of the Canaanites in Israel's history? Their descendents were still aroud at the time of Jesus. We know them, then, as the Samaritans, when Jesus 'lifted' the curse, so to speak. "He must needs go through Samaria.", where no one of the Jewish faith would go, and in fact would go out of their way to avoid, before that.

Sorry, folks! Racial bigotry cloaked in supposed "Bible exposition" is despicable, IMO.

Ed

 

I've never seen that argued. The argument is that rock music has it's roots in African/Haitian Voodoo. Not simply Africa.

 

That's bizarre, Aaron. The basic beat of rock and roll is, believe it or not, the human heart beat. And that is universal.

 

Actually; isn't the beat of rock 'n' roll just the opposite of our heart beat?

I'm just asking because I heard a sermon on this once...

 

Now you have...on the BB even.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=30881&highlight=touchet1611

 

Nope. This is wrong. Scientifically incorrect, logically incorrect.

 

LOL, I think that would be syncopation, which is much more complicated than rock and roll!

I'm curious, though -- how can you have the opposite of a steady beat? An unsteady beat? Rock and roll is a VERY steady beat....

 

Practically any Encyclopedia article on rock music bears out the fact that the rhythms in rock music have their roots in African Voodoo.

The distinctive feature of the rock beat is that the stresses are placed on the upbeats instead of the downbeats. In a 4/4 time signature the stresses would be on 2 and 4 instead of 1 and 3 where the rhythm of the melody and/or words would be stressed. In this sense, it is opposite of the heartbeat, the first beat thereof being the stronger beat.

 

At the risk of hijacking this thread, Aaron, you really have it wrong:

from Mahalia Jackson: In Jackson's own words, "Rock and roll was stolen out of the sanctified church!" Certainly, in the unleashed frenzy of the "spirit feel" style of gospel epitomized by such singers as Mahalia Jackson, Marion Williams and Sister Rosetta Tharpe, one can hear the rousing roots of rock and roll.
from http://www.rockhall.com/hof/inductee.asp?id=126

"Rock 'N Roll" is a musical genre whose 'golden age' is usually recognized as the decades of the 1950's and 1960's. This musical form had its beginnings in the blues tunes, gospel music, and jazz-influenced vocal music that became popular among African-American audiences after World War II. A new kind of blues, it featured electrically amplified guitars, harmonicas, and drummers that emphasized afterbeats. At the same time, black gospel music grew in popularity. These forms of black popular music were given the label rhythm and blues (R and B) and were played on big-city radio stations. Radio spread this music's appeal from black communities to towns throughout all of the United States. By the mid-1950's such performers as Little Richard, Joe Turner, and Chuck Berry were becoming popular with white audiences. Radio disc jockeys began calling their music rock 'n roll.
from http://42explore.com/rocnroll.htm

Aaron, the fact that Rock and Roll had its roots in the black, or African-American folk here in America is a LONG way from claiming roots in Voodoun on any continent! Its primary roots, as a matter of fact, are in the southern gospel music, some of which came straight out of the Southern Baptist congregations which were African American!

 

Thank you Aaron! This is what I believe also. It goes against the heart's rhythm, even though rbell thinks it is Scientifically incorrect, logically incorrect.

In most older traditional hymns, the beat of the music is the same as the heartbeat.

 

So music that goes

THUMP, thump

is better than music that goes

thump, THUMP?

hmmm.. Scripture please.

(BTW, I just love how threads get hijacked around here:laugh:

 

absolute nonsense.

This would make 3/4 and 3/8 hymns unscriptural.

It would also pose a problem if the tempo varied away from your heart's tempo.

It also means that if you have mitral valve prolapse, you can't listen to hymns.

You will not find a credible scientist who advocates said theory.

But, I derail.:thumbs:

 

By the logic around here, people better throw out any hymn or song that is not in 4/4 time.

What a joke.

Sad to see people so caught up in being "right" they throw all their brain cells out the door.

 

What a gracious response...

Disagree if you want, but "throw all their brain cells out the door"?

It seems the science behind the music on both sides has merit. But, like evolution, it all depends on which science you choose to believe.

From an observational point of view, the more this style of music has come into the church, the more self-centred the worship and doctrine has become and the more likely a church is to compromise in other areas.

Now, some of the pastors on this board I greatly respect even though we disagree on this issue. However, even though they hold to all the right doctrine in other areas it seems a slippery slope.

I would have ignored this whole segment if were not the for the "throw all their brain cells out the door" comment. Disagree with me and we don't have to discuss it, call me stupid and I'm coming out to play!

Could we be referred to as Forum Terrorists for hijacking this thread?

 

It's true that Gospel Blues are key in the development of rock in the U.S., but you must go farther back in history for the "primary roots". Briefly, there had always been a trend of some slaves incorporating their paganistic rituals into Christian worship. Gospel Blues is directly descended from the "ring shout," a practice protested against by Black ministers from both the North and South. The ring itself was directly descended from pagan forms of worship, especially the worship of the Vodun.

Black historians freely write about this in their histories. See The Rise of Gospel Blues by Michael Harris, and The Power of Black Music by Samuel A Floyd, Jr.

Harris quoted noted A.M.E. minister Daniel Alexander Payne. He was honest to present that much of the resistance to the "Afro-American folk ways" finding their way into the church came from "righteous" blacks. [This shoots down rbell's assertion that the resistance was a racist trend.] He dismissed it, however as self-righteousness and arrogance. I on the other hand give Payne the benefit of the doubt. He is quoted as saying, "The time is at hand when the ministry of the A.M.E. Church must drive out this heathenish mode of worship or drive out all the intelligence, refinement, and practical Christians who may be in her bosom."

Floyd states,

If I'm wrong, then practically every music historian is wrong.

 

When someone brings up the illustration of the heart beat, it's usually with a list of other illustrations saying that natrual rhythms are mostly a "first beat" phenomenon. It's not saying that all rhythms must match the heartbeat. Puh-leeze!

 

nevermind...