Birth control and Christian colleges.

What an amazing abuse of scripture. I hope you have tossed your tylenol, your vitamins, and your nyquil.

Is it my imagination, or is this thread bearing a striking similarity to the KJVO threads? Big claims with either lack of scripture or abuse of scrupture.

Scripture DOES NOT say "have as many children as possible". Only by an abuse of certain verse can one come to that conclusion.

 

Well, I am only going to say that I agree with Pastor Larry and Johnv on this one. And leave it at that. I have a reputation of being rather harsh with those who are rather careless in their interpretation and go way beyond what the Bible was written to mean.

I trust God's plan for my life, If he wants me to have more children, I will. He is after all the great Physician.

As for theology, well, we are well beyond anything that could be referred to as Biblical theology, so I usually try to avoid passing judgement on others when they disagree in such areas.

 

What makes you think you know better than every single Greek lexicon out there? Surely you do not think you know more than they do.

There are also potions and druges that heal you from infections, diseases, etc. Do you take any of those? If so, then you are one of the dogs. Why not just trust God?

Yes, none of which has to do with birth control. You cannot say this kind of stuff and expect people to take you seriously.

Literature of what period? We are not talking about eugenics, euthanasia, abortion, etc. We are talking about birth control. If you want to talk about other things, then start a thread.

This is either utter blasphemy or a mistake in your writing. Your interpretation is not the words of Jesus. Your interpretation is of the words of Jesus. You need to straighten that out in your own mind to avoid these kinds of statements that are blasphemy. You should not equate your words with the words of Jesus.

I do not dispute that you quoted hte words of Jesus. However, you gave a completely unfounded interpretation of them that has absolutely nothing to do with the text. That is almost as bad as claiming that your interpretation is the words of Jesus. Your interpretation is nonsense. The words of Jesus are true.

 

Sorry, but that doesn't follow. You can believe that God creates something while regulating your behavior that results in the creation. If you really believe that God heals, you will not go to the hospital but will trust God to give you the healing that he wants you to have.

 

Still waiting for the answer to the question: Have you tossed your tylenol, your vitamins, and your nyquil? They're all "pharmakia", after all.

And presuming that the birth control pill qualifies as a scriptural ban based on it being "pharmakia", that still leaves condoms and diaphragms (which are not "pharmakia") for Christians to utilize.

 

"Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates. Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying." Rev 22:14-15 (HCSB)

Nothing there suggests contraception. You would have to read something into the verses to get that conclusion.

 

As many children as you choose is as many children as God wants you to have. If God wants you to have more, the birth control will fail.

Why should a person "trust God" on births but not on healing? There is far more support for refusing medical treatment than rejecting birth control.

 

It does? Chapter and verse please. It says to be fruitful and multiply. Assuming you're correct, however, this is a private matter between the couple and God. If they feel called to only have one child, or two children, or ten children, it's between them and God. This scriptural concept is in no way a scriptural ban on contraception.

It does? Chapter and verse? There are scriptures that say all children are blessings. I can find no verses that say all blessings are children.

Again, even of you're correct, this is in no way a scriptural ban on birth control, since the scope of being blessed by children is strictly between the couple and the Lord, and no one else.

The onyl way to presume this is in reference to birth control is to twist scripture to fit a manmade doctrine. Very KJVOish.

Actually, you're correct. You said to have as many children as you decide is a blessing, as opposed to what the Lord reveals to the couple between themselves is a blessing.

 

No, and neither is the birth control pill. Compare apples to apples.

The verse doesn't say or imply anything about "drugs that are used to help one avoid the consequences of sexual immorality." It is a list of separate sins. When you see the Ten Commandments, do you ask "Why are these ten listed together? What is the one sin that combines telling falsehoods, murder, adultery, lust, worshipping other gods.... I got it! The Ten Commandments was really just saying 'thou shalt not use birth control pills.'"? They didn't even have any such thing as the birth control pill at that time. Even if your bizarre interpretation were right, it would refer to abortifacients and not birth control pills.

There isn't any, and the verse doesn't imply that the sins are linked.

 

Most non-abortive birth control methods haven't been around very long. The RCC opposed abortion not because it had man choosing the number of children, but because it could conceal sexual immorality (adultery).

Hasn't the RCC always taught that people can use birth control, they just can't use artificial means?

 

Wow, you really have gone the way of KJVOist arguementation (aka, show me where scripture says you can have as many translations as you want). Actually, YOU are the one who has made a scriptural assertion, hence, YOU are the one who needs to back it up scripturaly. NO WHERE in scripture is there a ban on birth control or family planning.

So what? For 1000 years, the church said the only acceptible sexual position for husbands and wives was the "missionary" position. For 1200 years, the church said the earth was the center of the universe. For several hundred years, the church said the sun revolved around the earth, and the earth was flat.

Imagine if Martin Luther, John Calvin, Christopher Columbus, Galileo, Ptolomy, Archimedes, Mendel, or Einstein had said "we've always done it that way".

 

Paul, it is a list of sins. It is not a list of one sin that has many aspects, such as potions and telling lies. That is clear from the verses you referenced.

Not to mention that using the pill is not telling lies or idolatry, for example. And, as already mentioned, only a few methods use chemicals.

How you go from witches (murderers by poison) to people using birth control is beyond me.