Blind guide to Moderate and Liberal

[Ed Edwards]

A guide for the Blind concerning
the beliefs of the 'Moderate' and the 'Liberal'.

'Moderate' and 'Liberal' denote two different
kinds of people with two different thought patterns.
However, some blind folk cannot tell them apart.

In this topic i'll be telling you blind folk the
difference, perhaps you can figure it out, given
enough information

 

[Ed Edwards]

I found a survey taken in 2002 of Catholic Priests
in the USofA. Here were the results:

Religious ideology:

Liberal - 30%
Moderate - 37%
Conservative - 28%

That poll is found at:
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/resources/resource-files/reports/LAT-Priest-Survey.pdf

It is reported here:
http://lkasplund.blogspot.com/
That a Zogby poll of the American electorate said:

//When asked if they viewed themselves as religiously conservative, only 24.9% said they were, while 28.7 said they considered themselves a "religious moderate" and 20.8 identified themselves as a "religious liberal."//

Let me combine those two polls:

Condition ---- Priests --- voters
Liberal --------- 30% ---- 21%
Moderate -------- 37% ---- 29%
Conservative ---- 28% ---- 25%

Two things:
1. RCC Priests are more Conservative and Moderate
than American voters.
2. American voters are more Liberal than RCC Priests

Think about that.

Another i worry about is that what i call
hyper-fundamentalists (here 'hyper' means
goes beyond and away from) -- they tend to think
that mere fundamentalists (for example, Ed) are
Moderate or maybe even Liberal.

 

[OCC]

Yeah and according to the ones who get away with everything...

[ July 17, 2005, 06:51 PM: Message edited by: DHK ]

 

[Ed Edwards]

Brother King James, you are beginning to sound likes
someone who is a Liberial worldy intertainment
watcher sufferin' from memory loss

 

[OCC]

Brother Edwards....for having different political views...I really don't care what I sound like

[ July 17, 2005, 06:52 PM: Message edited by: DHK ]

 

[OCC]

Entertainment? yep...got a problem with it?

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by King James:
Brother Edwards...I have been told ...for having different political views...I really don't care what I sound like .

So, i understand you are maligned -- oops,
missidentification error

But you need to realise that you cannot
curse the nice folks who run this place and
stay on the board. So unless you want to get
kicked off -- calm down.

Now, why do some folks get all confused and
call a moderate person with the hate filled
epithat: 'Liberal'?

My above figures show that in two groups
the three divisions: 'conservative', 'moderate',
and 'liberal' are about equal in population.
That may be true of general populations, but
what about speciality populations such as
we have at BB? I doubt if there has ever
been but one or two real liberals ever
posted more that a half-dozen posts on BB.
Only 25% of those who join BB even make a
post at all. There are no real liberals on
BB. There are a few lingering Moderates who
havn't got kicked off yet.

[ July 17, 2005, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: DHK ]

 

[OCC]

Mr. Edwards...I don't curse the moderators I believe. I may speak my mind but never curse them. I believe that I have the right to speak my mind and will do so without cursing them.

That being said...I thank you for posting your statistics there.

What kills me is some misinformed people have the gall to call me a liberal in the first place when I haven't voted for the liberal party since 1993 I believe it was. I may have a few liberal views but when I see comments such as "...I get just a little bit

[ July 17, 2005, 07:16 PM: Message edited by: DHK ]

 

[OCC]

By the way, I don't want to get kicked off. I have contributed positively to this site and will continue to do so. However, I will speak my mind, I will report offensive posts and I will challenge anyone who makes blanket statements such as "". That should not be tolerated here.

[ July 17, 2005, 07:14 PM: Message edited by: DHK ]

 

[emeraldctyangel]

Um so I am clear...moderate and moderator are two different things - yes? I think they are, but I see a little interchanging and that could be due to editing...

 

[Ben W]

As I see it I am a "Moderate", although in Australia I am considered a Fundamentalist because I believe that the Bible is Gods word and I dont accept evolution as factual. Yet on the BB, I have been told several times that a Fundmentalist has to be KJVO and Cessationist, and I am neither, thus I am with the "Moderate" camp.

 

[BruceB]

The best thing to do is never accept another person's label (Conservative, Moderate or Liberal) for you; only you and God know what is actually in your heart - no man does.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by BruceB:
The best thing to do is never accept another person's label (Conservative, Moderate or Liberal) for you; only you and God know what is actually in your heart - no man does.

Amen, Brother BruceB -- Preach it!

Ben W: //Yet on the BB, I have been told several times that a Fundmentalist has to be KJVO and Cessationist, and I am neither, thus I am with the "Moderate" camp.//

I've seen better arguments that those who believe such
un-traditional and un-Fundamentalists stuff
as "KJVO and Cessationist" are actually Liberals

Actually these hyper-fundamentalists are the ones who
think that everyone who doesn't agree with their doctrine
are 'liberal'; who think that everyone who doesn't use the
same exact wording to describe their fundamentalism are
New Agers.

In fact, the hyper-fundamentalists are the ones getting
confused by the New Agers. New Agers use the same words
that hyper-fundies use -- but with a different meaning;
traditional fundamentalists use different words but
with the same meaning (like two Bible versions using
different words but SAYING THE SAME THING).-- yes, this
is confusing when you are an uneducated hyper-fundie.
And it is they who have trouble discerning between
'moderate' and 'liberal'.

 

[OCC]

Thank you Bruce B. I appreciate that. I myself am a moderate...in fact most conservatives here in Canada are moderate. The extreme conservatives never win an election, the moderates stand a chance.

 

[emeraldctyangel]

Originally posted by BruceB:
The best thing to do is never accept another person's label (Conservative, Moderate or Liberal) for you; only you and God know what is actually in your heart - no man does.

Very good point. I am whatever I say I am. I am none of those things. Not to worry, God will sort me out.

 

[massdak]

Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by BruceB:
The best thing to do is never accept another person's label (Conservative, Moderate or Liberal) for you; only you and God know what is actually in your heart - no man does.

Amen, Brother BruceB -- Preach it!

Ben W: //Yet on the BB, I have been told several times that a Fundmentalist has to be KJVO and Cessationist, and I am neither, thus I am with the "Moderate" camp.//

I've seen better arguments that those who believe such
un-traditional and un-Fundamentalists stuff
as "KJVO and Cessationist" are actually Liberals

Actually these hyper-fundamentalists are the ones who
think that everyone who doesn't agree with their doctrine
are 'liberal'; who think that everyone who doesn't use the
same exact wording to describe their fundamentalism are
New Agers.

In fact, the hyper-fundamentalists are the ones getting
confused by the New Agers. New Agers use the same words
that hyper-fundies use -- but with a different meaning;
traditional fundamentalists use different words but
with the same meaning (like two Bible versions using
different words but SAYING THE SAME THING).-- yes, this
is confusing when you are an uneducated hyper-fundie.
And it is they who have trouble discerning between
'moderate' and 'liberal'. </font>[/QUOTE]regarding the so called uneducated hyper fundamentalist, it is God that gives true wisdom, so the biblical belief of true understanding comes for the Lord, even simple and uneducated people are given wisdom from God. but many liberals do want to blend their error with good doctrine for their own reasons. many liberals say they believe in the fundamental truths in the bible but they interpret way far left and to an unbiblical conclusion. it is always biblical for Christians to point out error and warn other weaker Christians of bad liberal doctrine.

 

[OCC]

When it comes to understanding the Bible I wouldn't call msyelf liberal. When it comes to political beliefs I wouldn't call myself liberal. I wouldn't consider myself conservative either. There is a happy medium...being a moderate.

Yes it is always biblical for Christians to point out error and warn other weaker Christians of bad liberal doctrine. All that's left to do is decide if one is in error and what the bad liberal doctrine is.

 

[Scott J]

Liberalism isn't primarily about deeper doctrine/theology though is it?

Isn't it more about the authority of the scriptures and the fundamental meaning of the gospel?

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by Ben W:
Yet on the BB, I have been told several times that a Fundmentalist has to be KJVO

Fundamentalism and KJVO are mutually exclusive. Fundamentalists found their beliefs on God's Word. KJVOnlyism does not come from God's Word.

and Cessationist, and I am neither, thus I am with the "Moderate" camp.

What do you mean by cessationist?

You should practice biblical separation from the world, holiness, and wisdom concerning Christian fellowship. Some want to define this for you but in the end they will not be your judge. Even more, they might cause you to sin in trying to please them and meet their standards.

 

[OCC]

ScottJ, I would hope it is about the authority of the Scriptures and the fundamental meaning of the gospel. If someone is liberal on those, then there is a problem.

If someone is more liberal in their politics, there would not be a problem with that.