Blood Sacrifices in the MK?

This is kind of an "open issue" between me and preterists...

But consider: In the OT, Israel was under the law which commanded physical sacrifices of believers.

Today, the only ones "under the law" are SPIRITUALLY so. That is, there are no blood sacrifices, to be sure. If you are lost, you are spiritually "under that law" to obey and only relieved of the law spiritually through the sacrifice of Christ. And we KNOW these truths because we accept the SPIRITUAL, not physical, presence of the kingdom we live in today!

My point is that if the MK is of Israel reigning with Christ on earth, it makes sense that the unsaved would have to sacrifice under the old "law" system, no? Those sacrifices NEVER took away sin anyway but ALWAYS represented what Christ would do or had done, right?

I guess I would say that, dispensationally, if there is to be a physical kingdom of Christ on earth, I would suspect that all the physical features of the original system to which He came would be reinstituted. And, indeed, they went out in 70 AD as Paul predicted (in Heb 8:13 -- about 65 AD) that they were "ready to VANISH away." And they will be "restored" with "all things" during the tribulation that precedes the MK JESUS HIMSELF even building the MK temple that follows!

skypair

 

Cutter -- Menagerie,

The thought is that we live today in a SPIRITUAL kingdom. Many here (grasshooper, BroBob) insist that we live in THE MK when, in fact, that is future.

The reason we don't "do" blood sacrifices today is not because Christ has died for sins. He died for all sins of all generations. The reason we don't "do" blood sacrifices is because this kingdom is spiritual, not physical/literal kingdom of Messiah. And there will be a physical/literal kingdom of Messiah on earth. it will be a "continuation" of the old covenant that was "sealed" by blood REPRESENTATIVE of Christ.

Does that help? We won't be here but, nonetheless, it will come in the FUTURE.

skypair

 

Cutter, Menagerie -- see what I mean now?

It "undoes" NOTHING. It literalizes" scripture (Ezek 40-48) AND reestablishes the "kingdom" of law except that the Object of that law -- to draw us to salvation -- is also present.

Yes, I understand that, jd. But one of those "groups," the CHURCH, is to be taken OUT! What do you have left? OT ISRAEL -- the "remnant" thereof anyway.

No, the Old Testament has not come to its conclusion. It has not fulfilled its promises. You are denying the promises given to Israel in that OT Israel was separate (another "fold") from the church.

God does NOT break His promises! So where do you see Israel as obtaining the "land" promised to Abraham as a "forever" inheritance??? Are YOU going to "stake your claim" as one of the tribes of Israel to the "land," Ezek 47-48?? Will you even be on earth when the land is "parcelled out" to teh tribes of Israel?

"Put to death" for NOW. Do you even pretend to notice that racial, religious, and national Israel are being restored in the "land" now EXACTLY as Ezek 36, etal, says THEY would? Are you feeling a "tugging" of the Holy Spirit for you to go back and settle there? :laugh: If you do, you are not consulting your "dance card!" :laugh: Christ is about to invite us to "dance" with Him in heaven and here you are expecting to inherit an earthly kingdom!

Yes! Amen! First AntiChrist will take all the churches (the "one world church") and ATTACK Israel. And in the MK. the lost will surely know that they are lost if they won't come to Jerusalem and offer sacrifices!

The church isn't going to be here, jd. LAW is reinstated literally and physically after the RAPTURE of the church. ISRAEL is NOT the body of Christ! What follows is the 70th week of Daniel, jd, followed by the kingdom of Messiah promised to ISRAEL. Are you Israel or are you church, jd?

YES! Do you think AntiChrist is going to "cozy" up to Israel? Not for long! Midtrib he even sets his own image up in their "holy place!"

Not by YOUR "careful study of scripture" anyway! :laugh: How careful are you?? Do you acknowledge the rapture of the church? the tribulation? the Millenial Kingdom of Christ? What about The Revelation -- fiction or non-fiction??

skypair

 

And it is because the world will be under the LAW dispensation again -- LAW with GRACE -- Jew with Gentile literally and physically under the temporal authority of Christ!

Let's examine it -- the "law is our schoolmaster to lead us to Christ," right? So suppose the law was re-implemented with blood sacrifices. It would still serve that purpose, wouldn't it? People would still realize that those sacrifices were to no avail unless there was faith in Christ. The world would be "without excuse" having neither offered the sacrifices nor believed (such as wouldn't).

Do you eat lamb, gh? The sacrifice -- much of it -- is eaten by those who minister. Only the blood is offered to God. Do you tithe, gh? Same-same. You give to the church for the advancement of the gospel. The priests according to "Zadok" will thank you.

skypair

 

But again, you are talking about the church when, in fact, the MK belongs to ISRAEL.

skypair

 

And you have missed the further point -- there will be 2 groups again after we, the church, get raptured. In fact, in the ages to come, Israel will NEVER live in NJ and the church will NEVER live in the New Earth. We will visit each other -- in fact, they will have to come into NJ to see God! We will be alike in every respect except that real estate imperative -- "location, location, location." :laugh:

Agreed. Amen! But "that day" has not even begun yet!

Negative. Shame! The MK begins when Christ returns to set it up at the end of the tribulation. You are making the MK SPRITUAL in every respect but the Bible says it is LITERAL in every respect! Just as it is only spiritually that we are under the law until we are saved, we are only spiritually in the kingdom after we are saved.

That is all different in the MK. Literally they will be under the law and literally they will be saved from physical death if they believe.

skypair

 

Why did Israel continue to celebrate Passover when they have already been saved from Egypt? Surely slaying and eating the lamb and bitter greens has no meaning now -- or do they? Why do they celebrate the feast of tabernacles when they truly believe that Messiah has not come?

Well, there's 2 reasons: 1) The LAW tells them to -- which law will obviously be in force in the MK and 2) it is symbolic of their particular calling to Christ as a chosen people.

The church, as you know, has their own ordinances but we do NOT see these observed in the MK (mainly Ezek 40-48 where the MK is spoken of by God).

The point is that I don't understand where those who say the MK is now --- where do they place these things seen in Ezek 40-48??

Don't be afraid to ask questions -- anything -- about prophecy, Amy. We all start somewhere and God's plans are truly glorious! :jesus:

The law is, indeed, fulfilled for those who come by the Way of the cross. But those who don't believe are not "under the Spirit" yet. THEY are under the law to obey it and be condemned or believe on Christ and be saved, right?

skypair

 

I said that in "age of ages" they (Israel) will have to come into New Jerusalem (Rev 22:3-4) to see God.

I see you had the concepts pretty well scrambled in your mind already, eh? :laugh:

I think you are remembering your '85 mission trip to Ethiopia when you had your "daredevil" wife strap a ham sandwich on her back and try to run through Djiboudi unscathed, Bob! :laugh:

Can we get serious, Bobby? Who was MYSTERY BABYLON, the harlot that rode the beast (Rev 17)? Have you ever seen her? -- 'cause I have and if wasn't 2000 years ago either. The tribulation hasn't been and gone," Bob. It's still coming.

skypair