Cafés in churches

Pharisaic maybe?

The Lord told us to watch out for stuff like that.

 

Is that the board that pops up a warning if you try to read it on Sunday?

 

It does......

 

Lol, yeah Their computer works on Sundays though, you would think they would close it down from Friday evening till Saturday evening, oops I forgot, they even have a different Sabbath too.

 

You serious?!? Posting on these forums is "work"? How come I'm not getting paid, then

 

The "starbucks experience" on the Lord's Day is just another attempt to reach the world by appealing to its desires. It is a fundamental misunderstanding of man's lost condition to believe that we can reach the lost by appealing to the desires of lost people. I realize that drinking coffee on the Lord's Day is not a sin. But creating a "starbucks experience" to please Christ haters is wrong headed. Here is my question, are these so-called "coffee houses" in the church for reaching out to the lost or just for the saints to enjoying coffee?

 

Oh brother... :BangHead: It's a fundamental misunderstanding to believe God cannot work in the lives of the lost by appealing to their desires.

Let me guess...you probably think it is equally wicked to bring nations that don't have God's Word Bibles in their native tongue. If you are going to be consistent, having something you can read in your own language appeals to them

 

Don't feed the troll.. He will move away.. or go to the Pharisaical Board.

Either way, we have dealt with plenty of self-righteous trolls in the past.. IGNORE.

Only the most stubborn stick around.

 

:BangHead:

Therefore, are you saying that we are reach the lost by appealing to their unregenerate desires?:BangHead::BangHead:

 

Absolutely! A desire is not necessarily sinful. We desire food, shelter, companisonship...and coffee.

 

Romans 3: 11 " no one understands; No One Seeks for God."

 

Blessings to you! Grace and Peace!

 

That has nothing to do with the conversation whatsoever. We are talking about desires. The one that doesn't understand and seek God has already rejected the truths presented to them. They still desire, food, shelter, etc.

 

"The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this Publican..." -Luke 18:11

Your post, besides showing off pridefulness, is simply a logical trainwreck.​

Of course, if your biggest concern is "eating with sinners and publicans," I guess I know a group you would fit in just fine. ​

 

The issue to not whether believers should eat with sinners. Believers should develop relationships with unbelievers and witness to them.

I thought this thread was about building "cafe houses" in churches and calling it a part of the churches ministry.

Evidently, for a few people at least, it is about calling people "pharisee" or "troll"who disagree with this practice.

Nevertheless, Grace and Peace to You!:jesus:

 

Desire is part of what draws us to Christ. So you do not have a desire for God? As far as cafe's go the intent is to get the attention of the lost, build a relationship, and have an opportunity where you have their full attention to present the gospel. It is not presented as the gospel or even part of it. Now you may still be in disagreement about that but we need to be clear about desires and what the cafe's are used for.

 

Dear Sir, you are so kind in your response, thank you!

 

I think it's fine to have a little box for donations to help defray the cost of coffee and donuts or whatever, but I think a cafe is a bad idea.