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I don't doubt your salvation SF. However, let me ask you a simple question. What would be so wrong to find out you were one of God's elect? Would you regard that as demeaning? How do you deal with Romans 8:32? Do you believe that Christ has only justified the Jews?

 

Romans 8:32 says nothing to indicate Gentiles are elect.

I like what Hamp says concerning Romans...

 

Does Hamp know how to write without bias? Terms like predestination, election, etc. are in the Bible. But the word "Calvinist" is not. He can't write an article on election without ranting on Calvinism. I am not a Calvinist and can't read the article without seeing the vitriol against another group of believers which he despises.
If his article was objective he would be able to write it without any reference to the Calvinist position whatsoever. But he doesn't.

 

I don't know what relationship you have with this man called "Hamp." However, his analysis of Romans is completely skewed.

For example Romans 1:18-3:23 is to prove there is NO DIFFERENCE between the Jew and the Gentile in regard to sin.

For example Romans 4 is to prove there is NO DIFFERENCE between the Jew and Gentile in regard to justification (Rom. 4:11).

In Christ there is neither Jew or Gentile.

Romans 8:32 is a real problem for Mr. Hamp. If you simply jerk it out of its context like he does then it is no problem. However, look at the pronouns and development of argument beginning verse 28 as it develops to verse 39. If you limit verse 32 to saved Jews alone then you must limit all of Romans 8:28-39 to saved Jews alone.

 

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Yes it does, it means to take for oneself ! It also means to prefer , to choose !

The word is also in the middle voice, meaning that God chose for Himself, or He preferred for Himself.

The same voice and concept is in Eph 1:4

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

The us here is the church, comprised of both jew and gentile !

Now back to that word chosen in 2 Thess 2:13, that same word is also used here

Phil 1:22

22But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.

Heb 11:25

25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

Now maybe you fail to understand that God electing and God choosing are one and the same !

 

Sorry Steaver:

Apparently you wanted to simply extend a nice :1_grouphug: :love2: :flower: to our Calvinist brethren (something I would never do) you should know better by now. Instead, you brought out the more militant non-Cals.

One can believe there is election/predestination to salvation without being a Calvinist. It is not a slippery slope. I know I are one. There is some serious Scriptural gymnastics going on to deny that (whatever it implies) there is no such thing as individual election.

 

except that Apostle paul saw the basis of Election on individuals chosen out and marked by God beforehand to receive salvation found by/in Christ, and that the new Covenant is based indivual salvation, not some kind of corporate election!

 

Can someone answer how you can admit to having more than one account here...and still not be banned for violating forum rules?

 

Can anyone answer why it is such an important issue for the average poster to harp on when it isn't the topic of this thread?

 

Why is it important that rules are enforced? Oh I don't know...maybe a moderator should? Is anarchy now the norm on this forum?

 

If you think a particular poster has broken a rule:
First, go that poster in private.
If you are not satisfied, contact a moderator.
If still not satisfied contact an administrator or the administration.

Whatever you do, what is your nefarious reason to bring this in the public and use up valuable bandwith in harping on something that really isn't your business in the first place.

 

It was already part of this topic, I wasn't the one to bring it up here, and it was reported...and ignored like the norm. If no rule violation is ever anyones business, remove the report post option. I think its selective mooderating for DaChasers account to be closed for the same reason.

 

Perhaps its is the "Iteration Process" they are employing :smilewinkgrin:....but anyway, why is it any of your business? do you have proof to totally back up your statements or are you just running your mouth again....as per usual.