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Calvinism vs. Arminianism

Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by Gina B, Sep 21, 2001.

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  1. Gina B

    Gina B Active Member

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    Ok Dr. Bob, I recall you saying that since nobody agreed on the alcohol thing, maybe we should start a thread on something we could agree on, like Calvinism, so here it is. Ta da! ;)
    Why do so many Baptists disagree on this?
    Ok, so here's the real point of this thread. NO ARGUMENTS OR DEFENSES
    I'm thinking it would be interesting for the people who know what they're talking about, one person from each viewpoint to explain that viewpoint and back it up, solely for educating those of us who may not have heard it or do not understand it.
    Anyone interested in doing so?
    da Gina
     
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  2. Chris Temple

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    #2 Chris Temple, Sep 21, 2001
  3. Brother Adam

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    "I'm thinking it would be interesting for the people who know what they're talking about"

    Gina, you seem to forget- this is a baptist board! ;)

    Until Next Post, Adam
     
    #3 Brother Adam, Sep 21, 2001
  4. Gina B

    Gina B Active Member

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    LOL Adam!
    Mr. Temple, please don't misunderstand,ha ha. Let me re-state.
    It would be for people with different viewpoints to STATE what their particular Baptist segment believes and why. Nobody would be coming back and arguing or saying they were right or wrong, it would simply be for us lesser educated peoples to learn from. [​IMG]
    Share the knowledge!
    (Without making us dig through the arguments and emotions and piecing it together)
    Just a learning experience.
    That's all. No fighting, no arguing, just the different Baptists giving out the info. That's it. The title was an eyecatcher, the opening silliness in reference to something mentioned in another thread.
    Gina
     
    #4 Gina B, Sep 21, 2001
  5. Chris Temple

    Chris Temple New Member

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    #5 Chris Temple, Sep 21, 2001
  6. Gina B

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    Thank you. Poifect! [​IMG]
    Gina
     
    #6 Gina B, Sep 21, 2001
  7. Gina B

    Gina B Active Member

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    Guess it's just not as much fun to give the facts as opinion. :rolleyes: Oh well.
    Thank you CHRIS and CHRIS only!
    boo hoo hoo.
    hoo.
     
    #7 Gina B, Sep 25, 2001
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    Hey Gina, at least you tried! I never get into those other conversations because I get too lost in all the bickering to figure out what the point actually is. I don't know if I am a Calvinist or Arminian. Oh, I know what I believe, but I have no clue as to what those terms mean! :D I shall read that link and see if it helps.

    Thanks for trying! You Da Gina! [​IMG]

    ~Lorelei
     
    #8 Lorelei, Sep 25, 2001
  9. Daniel Davidson

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    An excellent article
    http://www.xenos.org/essays/calvpass.htm

    An interesting one from which this quote is taken "1607 an assembly was convened at the Hague to decide in what manner a synod was to be held to determine the controversy. In 1608, Arminius, and Gomar, his chief opponent, appeared before the Supreme Court of the Hague, which, having heard their statements, decided that the points on which they differed were _of little importance and unessential to religion_. "

    is
    http://wesleyclients.nnu.edu/edinaz/arminius.htm
     
    #9 Daniel Davidson, Sep 28, 2001
  10. Chris Temple

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daniel Davidson:
    In 1608, Arminius, and Gomar, his chief opponent, appeared before the Supreme Court of the Hague, which, having heard their statements, decided that the points on which they differed were _of little importance and unessential to religion_. " <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Sounds like most modern Baptists :rolleyes:

    Unfortunately, they couldn't have been more wrong. [​IMG]
     
    #10 Chris Temple, Sep 28, 2001
  11. Daniel Davidson

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    Yes, it does sound quite modern, now that you mention it. I thought it was interesting that in a Protestant country, religious disputants had to appear before the secular authorities to decide religious matters. I did a little more web research and found out that David Cloud thinks Calvinism is a heresy! Not what I expected from a conservative, independent, fundamental Baptist. I guess it just goes to show that the Baptist community is pretty diverse.
     
    #11 Daniel Davidson, Oct 6, 2001
  12. Dr. Bob

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    And if Brother Cloud is against it, it can't be all bad!!

    I am an historic ifb'er and strongly reformed in doctrine. Can't help it. I learned to read.
     
    #12 Dr. Bob, Oct 6, 2001
  13. Chris Temple

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daniel Davidson:
    Yes, it does sound quite modern, now that you mention it. I thought it was interesting that in a Protestant country, religious disputants had to appear before the secular authorities to decide religious matters. I did a little more web research and found out that David Cloud thinks Calvinism is a heresy! Not what I expected from a conservative, independent, fundamental Baptist. I guess it just goes to show that the Baptist community is pretty diverse.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Is there anything that David Cloud does not view as heresy? Oh yeah, one thing - KJV ONLY, which IS heresy! :eek:
     
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  14. John Wells

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    In addition to the KJV, David Cloud does not condemn David Cloud. All other ground is sinking sand! :eek:
     
    #14 John Wells, Oct 6, 2001
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    Question: I know J. Vernon McGee was a Presbyterian, but (because I'm feeling lazy) is he a Calvinist? Any other comments pro or con on his teaching would be appreciated.
     
    #15 John Wells, Oct 6, 2001
  16. Daniel Davidson

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    Yeah, his web site is pretty down on just about everything. Even his anti-animal-rights-activist articles give the impression that if you're not eating meat then you're not doing the Lord's work. Now I enjoy a good slab of ribs as much as the next guy, and think PETA are a bunch of kooks, but Cloud just makes me want to say "ooookaaaaaaay". Anyway, he's got an interesting web site!
     
    #16 Daniel Davidson, Oct 6, 2001
  17. Michael Wrenn

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    Dr. Bob,

    Yes, but you obviously didn't learn to read WELL. ;)
     
    #17 Michael Wrenn, Oct 6, 2001
  18. Gina B

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    Hey, I gave up and forgot to come check this out. Thanks for adding more info Daniel Davidson! Daniel Davidson Daniel Davidson, lol, I love that name. :D
    da Gina
     
    #18 Gina B, Oct 8, 2001
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