Featured Calvinists vs Armenians: A Challenging--But Senseless--Debate

Faith comes from God, it is not a work!
Ephesians 2:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

 

Hey brother, merry Christmas. I'm just going to be straight up, you sound like the pharisees when they condemned Jesus for healing on the Sabbath. They spent all their time determining what a "work" is, condemning those around them for naught.

The reformed camp has taken things too far! You've turned the sovereignty of God into the doctrine of hate. You follow a guy who executed children and women. Red flag!

The Bible clearly describes that salvation and regeneration is of God. Man is called to Respond. I didn't make that up, King Jesus did, take it up with Him! I've listened to enough cocky, rude, arrogant tones that accompany the talking points from calvinists. I'm through! It's doctrine isn't producing holiness. Red flag!


Look, I got it...Calvinism was a direct response for Catholicism, a works based salvation. So it went to the extreme. No balance there either.

Everything is a work, blah blah blah. And if you don't agree we are going to condemn you.

Pharisees did this and they went to the extreme. They Added their traditions to "protect the law". Calvinists have done the same, to "protect" God's gift of salvation. But you've taken it too far. Condemning people who say faith is the proper response and saying it's a work. Works are baptism, alms giving, communion, etc. Believing is not a work! !!!!!!!

 

Calvin executed women and children.

 

Jon your a 5 point Calvinist. That's easy to prove.

The only reason most protestants aren't Calvinist is due to ignorance of logic and vocabulary.

They don't get if A = B and B = C then A = C




"The Bible clearly describes that salvation and regeneration is of God. Man is called to Respond"

This statement I think describes Calvinist better then your own "position".




"Calvin executed women and children."

Red Flags huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies

Martin Luther's book

From wiki:
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In the treatise, Luther describes Jews as a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth."[6] Luther wrote that they are "full of the devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine,"[7] and the synagogue is an "incorrigible whore and an evil slut".[8]
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Martin Luther probably killed more women and children, he inspired the reformers, probably inspired the Nazis.

 

That clearly wasn't my intent, please forgive me.

 

Any term can be 'badly misunderstood' and 'efficacious grace' is no different. The underlying philosophy is what matters IMO.

So, this 'efficacious grace', is it available to all men?

 

You have answered my question in the highlighted. Th e rest of your post is irrelevant to my inquiry.

Now that this grace is AVAILABLE to ALL men, why do some men still perish?

 

Belief in Jesus is requiredt in order to have God save us, correct?
Faith in Him not a work of ours, it is His gift to us.

 

Best way to answer is to stick to the subject before needless digression

 

So those who don't believe are yet to receive this gift, right?

Further, they perish because the gift, the only thing that could save them, is unavailable, right?

Further still, God has elected not to save them, right?

 

What is the purpose of bidding and not drawing seeing failure to do the latter nullifies the former? It actually amounts to a false offer; inviting you to a treat I have zero intention of serving

Analogous (not perfect) to this is inviting guests, say the the homeless, to a meal only to serve some

 

That is completely false. Start yet another thread it doesn't belong in this thread which will soon be closed anyway.

 

That is a mighty half-truth.

Why do you even need to hear the gospel, yet the wrath of God was satisfied in ~33AD?

Were you born born again?