Can A "good" Muslim be a good American?

This may be true, but we had a missionary stay with a muslim family in Azerbaijan not long ago. They were very hospitable with him. I may be wrong. Maybe I should just tell this girl to forget it....... that we don't want any "good" muslims living with us. That would probably be the "Christian" thing to do. Maybe we should pull our missionaries out of the Islamic nations. yeah.... that is probably the thing to do. i'm sure Christ would approve of that.

 

RB, the "good" in the OP would have been more accurate by stating "loyal", what I think was the point. If you are a "good" american, that means simply you are loyal and support the USA. In this context, a "good" muslim would be loyal to the Quran, Mohammed and Islam. If this person is a "good" (loyal) muslim, that totally contradicts with being a "good" (loyal) american, as we are the enemy!

The girl you are hosting would be well informed in reading this thread, IMO (if she's too young, maybe not). It would be an eye opener for certain! They are brainwashed into thinking that decapitating and murdering infidels is "good" in the eyes of Allah. Comparing Scripture with the Quran would put islam in the light it needs to be in...satanic.

 

Is there really a need to respond with bitterness and sarcasm? I tried to be supportive of your missionary efforts by telling you about the Jesus Film. You responded with sarcasm.

BTW, it isn't just missionaries being tortured and murdered in islamic countries. Many of those people, probably most, are ex-muslims who have turned to Jesus Christ. Muslims believe that once you are a muslim, especially if you are born a muslim, you can never leave islam. Perhaps prayer for all the muslims suffering under the demonic oppression of islam would be more fruitful than sarcastic retorts.

 

The sarcasm may have been a result of the sarcasitc remarks about my "claim of being a baptist minister". Take a look in the mirror.

 

Boy, you turn around for a minute and the whole thread goes to hell in a handbasket.

 

Do you think the Holy Bible would support a woman's right to kill her unborn child? Our American govt. does. Can you be a loyal american and a loyal christian? You see, this could be applied to anyone. Why just choose the muslims? Maybe because you hate them?

 

Belief in the right to have an abortion would not prohibit one from defending their own nation. Your comparison is apples and oranges. Belief in Abortion would not make one betray his country; not even a criminal.

 

Brother...... without Jesus _______ is hellbound.
Luke 18:10. "Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
11. "The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.
12. 'I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.'
13. "But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, the sinner!'
14. "I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."

 

The United States of America has 'living' Framework of Rights, Laws and Amendments which can and has changed throughout it's existence. To be a 'good' American doesn't mean to accept every law as it is 'right now' but to participate in the process.

Slavery was once lawful but the citizens rallyed to change things. Abortion may be lawful but the citizens can rally and change that.

 

The implication is correct. If he follows the five pillars of Islam, and the five basic articles of faith, he will be devout in his religion and will shun infidels such as Christians. Does it make sense to you that the very nation that most Muslims call the "Great Satan" can come to America, and then turn around and be good American citizens after having that mindset all of their lives?

Then they are not good Christians and espouse a heresy. Jesus said "I am the way." There is no other way but through him.

Religion by works is heresy. Salvation is through Christ alone. Does it matter what others say even if they are SBC. Not to me.

It is not the people, per se. It is what does the religion itself teach? What is the overall goal of Islam. What does the Koran teach. What do the Muslim clerics teach? Little old Muslim grandmothers are not going to take up arms. We know that. We are looking at the teaching of a religion, not the present actions of all its adherents.

Most "good Christians" are probably not good Americans. What is the percentage of voter turn out at the various elections you have. Is it always above 50%? Is this an indicator of how "good" an American you are?

No one on this board questions your calling and the fulfillment thereof.

BTW, we discuss the Catholics, the Mormons, the Charismatics, The Church of Christ, leaders such as Benny Hinn, and so many others. Why should the discussion of Islam get your goat?

 

Sir, I think it is because the way I took the title to the thread. When I saw the word "good" italicized sp? I did not take that to mean a loyal muslim. I took it to mean that a muslim can not be a good person. I think I need to back away from this thread sir. Do you have a problem with that? Will you allow me to do just that? I'd appreciate it.
The major problem I have is too many people beating their chests and telling God "I am glad i'm not like that tax collector". Grace and peace

 

We all have freedom in America/Canada brother. No one forces your hand/computer. God bless. :type:

 

LE, you are continuing onward unabated at the same steady pitch of hysteria. Please substantiate what you are saying . Especially the part about Islam being "demonic."

 

From Josh McDowell's book, "A Handbook of World Religions"



Even Muslim scholars admit that Mohammed first believed his visions were from demons. It was his wife that convinced him that they were from God.

 

Yes, wow, you almost got that right. I am so impressed. Problem with concluding that he was right the first time is that many Christians have had the same suspicion when they first had visions, and didn't some folks in the Old Testament as well? The being who contacted him identified himself as the angel Gabriel.

P.S. if I remember right, there is a difference between a demon and a jinn. A jinn can be good or evil. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie

 

Since demons cannot indwell believers, I don't know how a Christian can have the suspicion that a vision is a result of demon possession.

 

If Mohammed was tried in a court today he would be jailed as a rapist and charged with pedophilia. He was an adulterer most of his life, and cared not. He was a murderer, and his visions came from the pit of hell, as he admitted, from demons.

Any prophet whose visions came from demons would have been stoned to death.