Can you also overdo it with telling people how bad they are?

"When you're always told how bad and evil you are and that actually you deserved to burn in hell for all eternity will this not cause a person to become rebellious more than ever?"

that could be classified as "hellfire & brimstone preaching" which is not biblical.

 

yes in a sense they did - but they did it out of love - speaking the truth in love.

they did much more then speak about hell and telling people they're sinners and going to hell. right?

yeah i know Jesus spoke of hell more then anything - but its the act of doing it with love.

for example: if a police officer storms into your house saying: "YOU'RE UNDER ARREST! COME WITH ME! YOU'RE DONE FOR NOW!"
well... you're gonna be a little miffed at the guy - because you dont know what you did - the officer knows you've broken the law - but to you - you dont think you have.

but if the officer came to your house - storms in your house saying: "YOU'RE UNDER ARREST FOR POSSESSION OF MARIJIUANA PLANTS!" you now know what you've done wrong - and you understand...

if the officer came to your house - knocks on the door - and says "hey there! how's it going? im just here to let you know its a wonderful day today - but not for everyone - because everyone has their bad days. today for you is a bad day - you've done something bad... you're under arrest now. come with me"

mmmm... which would you respond to with most understanding and least resistance?
the second i hope.

the officer in the second scenario came in like the first - still with passion - but explained what you did wrong.

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that's all that JtB and Jesus did. exposed the people to the mirror of the law - speaking the truth in love - still having passion. not being hypocritical like the third situation.

 

And also, to whom much is given, much is expected. The people both John and Jesus preached to were Jews under the Law. They should have known better than the things they were doing. But for us, supposedly in the New Covenent, to take that and try to preach that way to the unbelieving world, is what has causes many problems.
In the past, like in the days of Edwards and Spurgeon (Whom much of this takes off of), there was the widespread illusuion of a "Christian culture", which was basically the Old Covenant nation of Israel all over again, but now with Jesus. So the preachers thought they could just thunder everyone in line, and it did "work" on many, but this created a more shallow fear based "obedience" that lacked depth. (Matt.13:20, 21) So we had great so-called "revivals", and it seemed this way worked, but over time, all the fear breeded rebellion, because at the same time preachers were doing that, they themselves forgot thet they too were sinners, and they often got caught in sins themselves, or abused their authority, especially in regard to money. People soon got wise to this, and it was like "yeah, they scare us with Hell, and we come and pay them, and they live good, and they tell us material things and the goods of the earth don't matter, yet they have theirs". This plus other problems in society, like treatment of other peoples; the abuse of other authority figures, such as fathers, courts, etc. fot people thinking, and questioning the old time religion and society; and then people eventually began giving up on it. They either threw off Christianity altogether, or began softening it down, and the focus became how much God loves you, and meeting people's needs, etc. Others look at all the problems of today, and think this was caused by preachers softening down and "not preaching Hell anymore", but a balance was needed. But as always, things just swing from one extreme to the other.

 

My dear friends,

Please read my signature by the late Dr. John Wilmot. I think is is very fitting for this day and age. Dr. Wilmot was a former professor of mine and friend, a minister at the same Baptist Church in England all his life.

There is the old saying about "catching more flies with honey than with vinegar." I suppose we could apply this to our gospel attitude.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Consider the fact that the Gospel is good news. How is it good news if a person doesn't know the bad news?

 

can't always provide honey.

the gospel isn't a glass of american iced tea. its a glass of canadian iced tea!

ok. bad analogy. sorry. hehe.
i was just trying to elaborate on what blammo said...

the gospel is not a happy meal... how's that?

 

I would have no difficulty discerning good done to me compared with bad done to me. We donot have to taste poison to understand it is not good for us. We need only understand the gospel to appreciate what possibilities the alternative provides. In my humble opinion.

I grew up in the church. I always believed that to be with Jesus was far better than to be in Hell with the Devil. I did not have to know how evil that place really was.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Disciple,

I would like to recommend a very good book I think will help you in many areas you discuss here. It is, The Fight; The Christian Struggle, by Dr. John White, InterVarsity Press. It is available at their site for about 9:00 American.

The late Dr. White was a Plymouth Brethren and a psychiatrist, who taught at a reputable college in British Columbia, Canada.

He covers, biblically, all the struggles a new Christian experiences in life and relates all his answers to the Bible. It is easy reading, but sound in doctrine and in principle.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Disciple -

It sounds like you are focused on the judgement of God. You should spend some time focusing on the grace of God. Consider what He did for you on that cross. Think of the fact that He died on that cross for the sins of the whole world. Think of the fact that salvation is for all who will believe. Think of the fact that salvation is a free gift.

It is not up to you to keep your salvation. You didn't earn it with works, you can't keep it with works. The bible does tell us to examine ourselves, whether we are in the faith. Read 1John and see what it tells you about your state. But remember, God made hell for the devil and his angels, not for you. That is why He made salvation so easy to receive. All you have to do is believe that He died of the cross for your sins, was buried, and rose again the third day.

I think it is important to peach on sin, hell, and repentance. But I understand that to be for the prideful, unrepentant, God rejecting religious types. If you study the Gospels you'll see that Christ preaced these things, pay attention to who He preached them to. The humble in heart received grace and mercy right away.

I hope this helps some.

 

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Philippians 2:12-13 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Read and study all the scriptures. Expect some fear and trembling. But remember the grace and mercy of God, and keep your eyes on Christ.