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Featured Catholic tradition, not the Bible, teaches a change to Sundaykeeping.

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  1. Hobie

    Hobie Well-Known Member

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    Nowhere in the Bible does it teach a change from Sabbath to another day, there is no verse which changes the seventh day Sabbath to the first day of the week. The apostles say nothing of any change because of the resurrection, or from being given by divine light, or from the Holy Spirit inspiring them to set another day other than the Sabbath. Nothing is given, by any of the twelve or Paul that says that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday. You can search every text in the scriptures and yet there is nothing there.

    Now if you look into Catholic tradition or mans changes, suddenly it becomes clear. It was not changed by God, there was no words spoken by Christ making a changed, there was nothing written by the apostles or Paul declaring a change, it was done by tradition of someone else. Its clear from the evidence:

    "It is true that Protestants contradict their "Bible Only" theory by keeping the Sunday instead of Saturday, because nowhere in the Bible can a clear text be found to show that Christ changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday. From tradition only, which Protestants claim to reject, can Sunday observance be justified. It is not true that the Catholic Church parades the world wide Christian custom as a sign of her power in religious matters, but she refers to it as an instance of Protestant inconsistency. Saturday was the Sabbath day and observed as such even by Christ."

    (Source: Our Sunday Visitor, of Huntington Indiana, October 26, 1913, Bureau of Information, page 3.)

    "If we would consult the Bible only, without Tradition, we ought, for instance, still to keep holy the Saturday with the Jews, instead of Sunday ..."

    Source: Deharbe's Catechism, translated by Rev. John Fander, published by Schwartz, Kirwin & Fauss, 53 Park Place, New York, Sixth American Edition, Copyright 1912, 1919, 1924, page 81.

    Why didn't God step in as apostasy crept into the early church, and stop it in its tracks, and keep the Roman Catholic church from leading them into a rejection of the Sabbath, and a change to Sunday worship.

    Well God allows freewill, He could have stopped Adam, but then Satan would have been right that force was being used in having man follow God. The church fell into apostasy because they allowed false doctrines and tradition to sneak in, and so the true believers were forced to start again at the Protestant Reformation. But they didn't go all the way to clear out the apostasy that had crept in.

    Sunday keeping is not declared or found in the Bible, it is from a tradition of man, in this case the Roman Church and the Papacy, and not of God. Some people may think Sunday is the Sabbath or has been transferred, or they claim for themselves that can choose whatever day or that every day is the day of worship except for the seventh, but nowhere in the scriptures is the Sabbath transferred to another day with God's blessing, and the Pope does not have the power to do so.

    As the scripture clearly shows that the seventh day is the Sabbath, the question them becomes, must Christians keep the Sabbath day that God gave at Creation for all mankind? Must Christians keep any of the Commandments, if so then the Sabbath Commandment still applies. The Sabbath was made by the Creator, and sanctified and made holy, scripture tells us and from what Christ says that it was made for man, at Creation for mankind. This does not mean we are restricted or limited in our actions in showing our love for God and our fellowman to one day, but the Sabbath was made for man, as Christ said, which means it is to us a blessing a special gift for man. It is a special time set aside by God Himself from Creation, to meet with Him, and each other, in holy convocation and fellowship, and receive a blessing.
     
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    Tradition AND the New Testament scriptures changes the Christian day of worship from Saturday to Sunday. This topic has been beat to death in previous threads, so why do you continue to bring it up?

    Oh that's right, your headline says it all with the words "Catholic tradition....", so its one more Catholic bashing thread, right Hobie? Unfortunately for you just about every other Christian faith tradition sides with us on this one. It's just you and your JW friends who obstinately stick to the nonsense of Saturday worship.

    At some point you need to realize it is you who is in the wrong here, not the rest of all Christendom.
     
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    Only some Cults (JWs and SDA, Herbert W Armstrongism) do not accept that Sunday is now the day for worship and rest

    As previously stated, Sunday worship was one of the hallmarks to distinguish Judaism from Christianity (which was a huge issue in the early church); the other marks of distinction would be baptism and communion. At least those are the ones that I can currently think of at this point.

    Can you appeal to scripture where Sunday Worship is equivelant to the mark of the beast? I have never read ot in scripture
     
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    ^i am speaking practically here

    Theologically there are vast differences in the 2
     
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    Hobie...

    Are you the hardcore SDA that believes people who go to church on Sunday go to hell....

    ...or are you the more relaxed SDA who just wishes we would go to church on Saturday?
     
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    Once the first Christians broke from Judaism they gathers on Sunday to worship the risen Lord! Rome did not start that, and your Ellen White did not hear from God on Sabbath either!
     
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    One issue even Rome gets right!
     
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    Its a vision given by God to Ellen White....
     
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    Ellen White had a vision that God oberlooks Sunday now, but ewhen Antichrist[pope} sets up sunday worship, those refusing Sabbath then get mark of beast!
     
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    Yep. We got it right first and then the rest of Christendom followed.
     
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    Not really, as first Christians were Baptist like in doctrines and practices!
     
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    Well one is given by God as the Sabbath that He made for man, and made holy and blessed, and the other is the first day of the week, so yes, I would agree.
     
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    You continue to spout as much nonsense as the poster named a Protestant. If you were correct, than the successors of the Apostles would have taken up their supposed Baptist mantle and the newly forming Christian church would have developed with a Baptist theological outlook, BUT IT DIDNT AND THE HISTORICAL RECORD PROVES OTHERWISE.

    The early leaders of the new Christian Church post the Apostles were Roman Catholic in outlook and belief's. There was not a Baptist thought amongst the Early Church Fathers and the Christian church at large.

    You need to sit down with yourself and accept the truth that the Baptist theology did not come about until one man named John Smythe thought it up in the 17th century. He himself was a renegade from mainline Protestantism, a former Anglican priest. The truth will set you free!
     
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    Now the question that comes up is did God know that this attempt to change His Sabbath would occur, lets look in scripture.

    "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. " Daniel 7:25

    "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." Acts 20:28-30

    As you can see from scripture, God predicted that, from within the church itself, misguided men would arise who would attempt to change His holy law. So the prophecy was true, and it has come to fruition as the Sabbath and those who kept it were swept away, and a substitute put in.

    And here is there own words...
    ''The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.'' The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

    "All of us believe many things in regard to religion that we do not find in the Bible. For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath Day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the Church outside the Bible." The Catholic Virginian, "To Tell You The Truth,” Vol. 22, No. 49 (Oct. 3, 1947).

    "... you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify." The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.
     
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    All hail the prophetess Ellen White!
     
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    I almost fell out of my chair when I first discovered that Seventh-day Adventists teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. :eek:

    Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast
     
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    The question becomes one of whose authority do you follow, that of man, or that of God. And they clearly claim it...

    'It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.'Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ on March 18, 1903. This Rock

    'The observance of Sunday by the Protestants is homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the [Catholic] Church.' Monsignor Louis Segur, 'Plain Talk about the Protestantism of Today';, p. 213.
     
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    All hail the prophetess Ellen White!
     
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    Hobie,

    The question becomes one of whose authority do you follow, that of man, or that of God. And they clearly claim it...


    Or in your case, looks like you follow a woman who had an unscriptural vision with the 4th commandment circled.

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    I think everyone agrees the Commandments are still valid and what shows sin, except for one. So you have to ask yourself on whose authority was that one changed...
     
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