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Catholic tradition of Limbo

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Pastor_Bob, Jan 8, 2006.

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    I value this movement as far, far better than covering up and or slick and tricky excuses.

    But, so called Laymen Catholics still continue to deny Inquisitions.

    In such case, can we accept that there has been true and heartful penitence among the Catholics?

    If they repented truly, the most of Catholics should have known about the truth of Dark Age and Inquisition, even of Crusade, then the whole Catholics would have made some siginificant penitence. There, we can have some heatful discussions.
     
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    BobRyan asked :
    When the RCC insisted on lovingly exterminating non-Catholics - did they do that because "there IS salvation outside the church"???

    Good Question!

    When RCC tortured and killed many as proclaimed "Heretics", did RCC do it believing that there is Salvation outside RCC?

    Did RCC treat Baptists as the group of people possessing Salvation?
     
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    Notice that the "extermination" of those who oppose RC doctrine is treated like the killing and extermination of pests before taking over the land owned by those pests.

    Such "loving extermination" sending the rejectors of RC doctrine speeding on their way to hell is reflected in this RC comment.

    Catholic Digest 11/1997 pg 100
    The question:
    A Baptist family who lives across the street gave me a book called the “Trail of Blood”, by J.M. Carroll. It attacks Catholic doctrine on infant Baptism, indulgences, purgatory, and so on. But I am writing to learn if there is anything in history that would justify the following quotation:
    The answer from Fr. Ken Ryan:
    In the article above – Fr. Ken Ryan makes the meaning of “extermination” of that group and “many other groups” clear for modern readers.
    Catholic apologists like Catholic Digest’s Fr. Ken Ryan quoted above often argue that the RCC isn't accountable for the Inquisition, since the state carried out the torturing and the executions. It was the RCC who defined these people as "heretics", however, and the RCC handed them over to the state (John 19:11).
     
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    This is a story from Ecuador as told in the Berean Call out of St. Louis,
    MO.9/98

    March 1, 1998, during the morning service, a group of 50-100 people led by the Catholic nuns showed up on the church property to warn us to stop preaching the gospel and to leave the town of Quinche. It was a very scary time because of the yelling and the threats.

    Ecuador does have freedom of religion. Monday afternoon Kevin took a letter
    from our lawyer to the head of the police in Quinche. The police chief refused to accept the letter. Kevin took it to the policemen on duty who stamped it and noted when they received it. He then went to our church property to meet with the pastor and the leaders of the church.

    A number of belivers were there, as the Catholic priest had been speaking to the town all afternoon over the sound system and riling tup the community. At
    about 6:00pm, a sympathizer came to warn that a mob oF 1000 had formed at the
    Catholic church and was headed their way in a violent state. Kevin go a truck load of people away just as the mob was getting very close. The police were leading, followed by the priest and nuns. The belivers observed all that was taking place from a road further up the hill.

    The mob then made a total wreck of everything. The cement block building is still standing, but everything that had been inside was burned. The priest just stood watching everything, urging the people on. The nuns were seen tearing pages out of the Bible and throwing them into the fire (even the Catholic Bible we had). The believers were very discouraged. To us, it was just like a Martin Luther or John Huss film. We had heard of persecution but had never experienced anything like it, nor did we expect to.

    Since that time, the believers are very united; some have already become stronger in their faith. We are confident of God's control. We know that we are going to see fruit from this experience and that God has a specific purpose for this. We are looking forward to seeing it!
     
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    This is how The Foundation of Roman Catholic churches was established, i.e. by confiscating the properties of the true believers after condemning them as Heretics!

    It is an irony that such foundation works for the benevolence and charity.

    All the preserved record of Catholic declarations, Council Anouncements prove this fact. Limbo was a part of those theories held by this group of people.
     
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    Ok now the point of bringing up the confessions "From within the RCC" of her own deeds during the dark ages - is not merely to say "see the RCC was bad". It is to point out the truth of God's Word in Rev 12 and Dan 7 that 1260 years of persecution of the saints would follow after the time of Christ.

    It is show that God predicted the long dark night of the World - the "Dark ages" - the "Golden age of the RCC"!!

    It is to serve as a warning from pursuing those same practices of intolerance today!

    It is to show that the "Falling away" the "Apostacy" predicted in 2Thess 2:1-5 did occur!

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Bob,
    Do you have any other sources than Medieval sourcebook, about the decrees, Bulls, Declaration from the Council meetings of Roman Catholic?

    I wonder why the Holy Roman Catholics do not publicly reveal their previous inerrant, holy, Bulls anounced by Infallible Popes.

    If they are so holy and incorrect, why do they not publish them ?

    It will be very much interesting if we read all the Bulls and Decrees by Pontiffs
     
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    Thanks to Bob !

    What I want to have was the Bulls which declared the Heretics and instructed to treat those Heretics.
    I think I need some endeavor to organize them.
     
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    Actually those records are not the whole Bulls without abbreviations, without omissions which reveal the true aspects of Holy Roman Catholic
     
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    Fourth Lateran Council:
    Canons 78, 79: Jews and Moslems shall wear a special dress to enable them to be distinguished from Christians. Christian princes must take measures to prevent blasphemies against Jesus Christ.

    Nazis may have learned from this Bull.

    But there must be the remaining part of the Bulls against the true believers
     
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