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Christian Churches Should Stop Using the Cross, Group Says

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by dianetavegia, Aug 22, 2003.

  1. dianetavegia

    dianetavegia Guest

    Christian Churches Should Stop Using the Cross, Group Says
    By Jeff Johnson
    CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief
    August 22, 2003

    Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - An interfaith group founded by Unification Church leader Sun Myung Moon is spearheading an effort to have Christian ministers remove crosses from their churches, calling them a symbol of oppression and perceived superiority. Mainstream Christian leaders call the request "outrageously bigoted."

    The American Clergy Leadership Conference (ACLC), an organization that began as a project of Moon's Family Federation for World Peace and Unification (FFWPU), believes the key to "true and lasting peace in the Middle East" is reconciliation between members of the world's three largest religions.

    "Jews, Christians and Muslims must come together to heal divisions of the past, to stand together in a moment of repentance and reconciliation, and thus, tear down the walls that separate us as people of faith," said Archbishop George Augustus Stallings, Jr., of the independent Imani Temple African American Catholic congregation in Washington, D.C.

    The ACLC held a symposium in New York Thursday on Jewish-Christian-Muslim reconciliation and Middle East peace entitled "Harmony Amongst the Children of Abraham." Stallings, who serves as national chairman of the executive committee of the ACLC, told CNSNews.com by telephone that part of that reconciliation involves assessing how Christian traditions are perceived by people of other faiths.

    "We have realized that, as expressions of faith, there are certain symbols that have stood in the way," Stallings said. "The cross has served as a barrier in bringing about a true spirit of reconciliation between Jews and also between Muslims and Christians, and thus, we have sought to remove the cross from our Christian churches across America as a sign of our willingness to remove any barrier that stands in the way of us coming together as people of faith."

    Michael Schwartz of Concerned Women for America - a biblically based, public policy women's organization - was shocked at Stallings' assessment.

    "If a Christian objected to a Star of David or a Crescent, we would know that person is a bigot. When a Jew or Muslim objects to the display of the cross by Christians, we know the same thing about that person," Schwartz said. "To tear down our religious symbols, to uproot our traditions is not the way to reconciliation, but rather, to recognize with respect, our own and the traditions of others is the way to true reconciliation.

    "Just imagine if some misguided Christian were to suggest that the Jews have to take away their symbol and the Muslims would have to take away their symbol, not display it in public any longer," Schwartz continued. "That would be identified instantly as a statement of intolerance. Reconciliation and peace do not grow out of intolerance."

    Cross is symbol of 'religious intolerance, forced conversions...racism'

    Stallings acknowledges that the cross is central to teaching people about the saving grace offered through Christ's death and resurrection but, he argued, Christians have also used the cross to send other messages.

    "We have held up this cross in the face of Jews to say, 'If it had not been for your rejection of Jesus, our Messiah would never have been crucified," Stallings added. "We also know that the cross has stood as a barrier in Christian-Muslim relationships because we have held up our cross as a superior faith, that we - as Christians - are superior over the Muslims."

    Stallings added that "a history of religious intolerance, forced conversions, inquisitions and even racism as used by white supremacists" also follows the cross through Christian history.

    "The cross does not, by any means, symbolize a 'history of religious intolerance, forced conversions, inquisitions or racism,'" Schwartz responded tersely. "That is an outrageously bigoted statement."

    Rev. Phillip Schanker, vice president of the FFWPU, said getting Christian pastors to remove the cross from their churches involves more than just taking down a symbol.

    "There are divergent theological understandings centered around the cross," Schanker said. "So, it's not just the symbol we're dealing with."

    While Christians may view the cross as the symbol of Christ's sacrificial death to pay for their sins, Schanker agreed with Stallings that Jews and Muslims have different perceptions. Jewish tradition does not recognize Christ as the savior, and Islamic teachings deny that it was Jesus who was crucified.

    Christians, Schanker said, need to consider those disparate beliefs and ask themselves if the symbolism of the cross is worth maintaining the divisions it allegedly creates.

    "It's a matter of overcoming the religious arrogance, the religious chauvinism, the narrow-mindedness, the judgmentalism that often comes from insecurity," Schanker said.

    Schwartz agreed that a judgmental attitude is a problem, but he said it appears those opposed to the display of the cross are the ones suffering from it.

    "To paraphrase the man who died on the cross for our sins and the sins of Mr. Schanker and all those Muslims and Jews," Schwartz said, "they ought to take care of the beam in their own eye before they look at the speck in their brother's eye."

    Schanker accused those who disagree with the anti-cross movement of overreacting.

    "I'm sure, for some narrow-minded Christians, it seems like we're undermining or denying the very foundations of Christian belief. Not at all; nobody is questioning the salvific role or Jesus' sacrificial position," Schanker said. "But we're recognizing from within New Testament understanding that Jesus transcended the cross. Let's not continue crucifying him. That's not where he is."

    Schwartz laughed in response to Schanker's statement.

    "Getting these lectures on Christology from somebody who's announced himself as an enemy of the cross is really amusing," Schwartz said, recalling a comment made by a little girl in Alexander Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago in reference to prayer in Stalin's Soviet Union.

    "Everyone is allowed to pray, as long as no one hears but God," Schwartz quoted. "This is the degree of religious liberty that Mr. Schanker will allow to the one religion that he apparently thinks ought never to speak its name or show its face."

    Schwartz found it telling that a group founded by the leader of the "Moonies" would call together Muslims and Jews to renounce "the universal symbol of Christianity as something hateful.

    "In the interest of peace, the three who believe that Jesus Christ was not God want to stifle the one who believes that Jesus Christ was God," Schwartz observed. "Is that peace through conquest, peace through surrender, peace through requiring that Christians cease proclaiming their Christianity? That is not an offer of peace."

  2. Ransom

    Ransom Active Member

    Oct 3, 2000
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    dianetavegia said:

    An interfaith group founded by Unification Church leader Sun Myung Moon is spearheading an effort to have Christian ministers remove crosses from their churches, calling them a symbol of oppression and perceived superiority.

    Speaking of "perceived superiority," doesn't Sun Myung Moon claim to be the present-day successor to Jesus Christ?

    You gotta laugh.
  3. KenH

    KenH Active Member

    May 18, 2002
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    The idea of removing the cross from Christianity is one of the stupidest ideas I have ever heard. [​IMG]
  4. Caretaker

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    May 20, 2002
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    1 Cor. 1:
    18: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
    19: For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
    20: Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
    21: For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
    22: For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
    23: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
    24: But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

    A servant of Christ,
  5. Elnora

    Elnora New Member

    Jan 4, 2001
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    Oh I better quit reading these tonight this is the fourth article I have read about people who are absolute fools! They all think they are so wise. Maybe we should start praying feverently for most people just to get some common sense! :rolleyes:

    There was a time that even the unbelievers at least had some of that.
  6. Ben W

    Ben W Active Member
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    Sep 16, 2002
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    I think that it is interesting that they want to get rid of the Cross, because that is the very foundation of Christianity, the non negotiatable belief that divides between Christianity and Non Christianity. The Death and Ressurection of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

    Perhaps Mr Moon should put his time into giving answers to people that have been Spiritually Abused by his organisation. I wonder how he feels about the massive number of people turning to Jesus in South Korea?
  7. Artimaeus

    Artimaeus Active Member

    Nov 30, 2002
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    (No cross, no power)
    I Cor 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

    (I think I know why they want to get rid of the cross)
    Gal 6:12b ...lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ

    (Can you get any clearer than this)
    Gal 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

    (If they were really interested in reconciliation...)
    Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby
    Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself;

    (Enemy of the crose and duly noted)
    Phil 3:17-19 Brethren, ...mark them...they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame,
  8. donnA

    donnA New Member

    Aug 10, 2000
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    What unity? Between those of the truth of Jesus and anyone else? We would cease to be biblical christians, we as christians are always seperated from all others. Now and in eternity. If they want to be unified they need to be saved.
  9. Gina B

    Gina B Active Member

    Dec 30, 2000
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    Ok, so the cross will be the next item to be banned. May as well get used to it and get over it NOW. Right? :rolleyes:
    I looked over the unification church a while back and I'd say this is a stunt to help get attention to the group. It'll work! I can see this group missionizing and growing in the way the LDS did in the past. Scary!
  10. mark

    mark <img src =/mark.gif>

    Jul 3, 2000
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    Onto a rabbit trail.... How long has the cross been the dominate symbol of Christianity? Did the fish symbol predate the cross (as a symbol) or has the symbolic cross always represent Christianity?
  11. DCK

    DCK New Member

    Jul 12, 2003
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    ^^From what I've read, the cross wasn't widely used as a symbol of Christianity until the time of Constantine. The fish symbol had been around since the first century, partly because of the "fishers of men" reference in the gospels, and also because the Greek word for fish (ichthys) was used as an acronym for Iesous Christos Theou Hyios Soter (Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior).
  12. Bro. James Reed

    Bro. James Reed New Member

    Sep 18, 2002
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    Interesting that his organization is against using the cross. The same goes for Primitive Baptists, though for very different reasons. This is kind of a complex for me. I agree with him that the cross shouldn't be put on display, but I don't agree with his reasoning.

    Oh, well. :confused: