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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by steaver, Oct 3, 2013.

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  1. BobRyan

    BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    You keep making that empty accusation without ever proving that your idea hold's water. Why keep pretending that it is working when all it results in - is your own claim that Paul is the author of error when his Gal 5:4 refutes OSAS - since your definition of falling from grace - is "refuting OSAS".

    The nature of your circular argument is far more transparent than you seem to have at first imagined.:sleeping_2:

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
    #61 BobRyan, Oct 18, 2013
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    You keep making that empty accusation as though the unbiased reader cannot understand what "context" means.

    What really devastates your empty accusation is the fact that the context of the phrase "fallen from grace" is revealed in the exact same breath of the spoken sentence - "whosoever of you are justified by the law". It's amazing that you ignore this, and worse yet, argue against it in favor of a presupposition on OSAS. Talk about desperation.

    The definition of "fallen from grace" is given for us - "whosoever of you are justified by the law" - it's not up for debate, even though you continue to ignore the context in favor of a OSAS argument.

    Maybe if I post the entire sentence it will jump out at you.....

    "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace".

    Did you catch it?? :praying:

    Now let's look at the OP.....

    Now the question to the board is - Are ye fallen from grace, or are ye a believer in Grace Alone through Faith Alone?
     
    #62 steaver, Oct 18, 2013
  3. BobRyan

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    Now the question to the board is are you going to turn a blind eye to the Bible in Gal 5:4 regarding those who have been "Severed FROM Christ" and "fallen FROM Grace" - -and blindly cling to OSAS tradition repeating the words "no such thing... non such thing... I just know it". Or can we all simply agree to accept the Bible as it reads EVEN in this case where it debunks OSAS?

    (or must it be -- more endless games - trying to avoid the text of scripture that debunks OSAS).

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Fallen From Grace - is not "defined by any one of the many sins that results in it" - rather it is defined as removing those who ARE under grace - FROM Grace. They fall from it by a choice - a choice to embrace rebellion against the Word of God.

    The circular non sequitur that imagines that "to accept Gal 5:4" where it debunks OSAS is to "fall from grace", is hardly credible for the serious Bible student.

    Endless gaming to try and avoid this obvious point is not as compelling a solution as some may have at first imagined.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
    #64 BobRyan, Oct 18, 2013
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    [/QUOTE]

    Saying the word "context" is not solving your problem. OSAS is being debunked here because OSAS does not ALLOW for those joined to Christ and under Grace to "FALL from Grace" or to become "severed FROM Christ".

    It just does not get any easier than this.

    Inventing a circular argument about that those who accept the Bible teaching about "falling from Grace" have fallen from Grace by admitting to the existence of that OSAS-debunking doctrine in scripture - is not the compelling solution you seem to have at first imagined it to be.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    I ignore what is not applicable to the problem for OSAS. You are the only person on this thread promoting the doctrine of "justified by law" and then you want to project it on to those who differ with you as if the mere accusation is all that is needed.

    How is it you expect that to pass as an objective and compelling solution for OSAS?

    Even if such odd lapses in logic had merit - it still would not solve the problem for OSAS in Gal 5:4.

    Why do you keep gaming the point as if this continues to escape your notice??

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Either salvation is by grace apart from performance of following the law, or, salvation is by performance of following the law plus grace.

    You point to Galatians 5:4 for your pov on salvation, which declares anyone who would be saved by performance of following the law has "fallen from grace", which you presuppose means falling from being saved. Both you and E7 have been arguing for performance plus grace as the means of justification/saved. Surely you don't have any fantasies that the board doesn't know this?? Thus, according to your very own pov on Galatians 5:4, it is declaring E7 and yourself fallen from salvation.

    How do you escape that corner you have worked yourselves into?? So far, by ignoring the context and declaring it has nothing to do with your pov about OSAS. When it has everything to do with your pov on OSAS.
     
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    In Christ Alone -

    Still no Hymns or Songs posted which sing of man's performance. Surely the Spirit would have inspired some songs glorifying man's overcoming through his works. That is, if this is indeed the truth some have believed that it is.
     
    #68 steaver, Oct 22, 2013
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