Christians and divorce.

For those of you that seem to try and justify divorce, read Matthew 19:8, especially that phrase, "but from the beginning it was not so", then try and say that Jesus allowed divorce due to fornication; He was only showing the Scribes and Pharisees the full spirit of the Law, and still, The Lord hateth the putting away, learn what that means, then expound.

 

There's no "seem to try to justify". Divorce is CLEARLY PERMISSIBLE in cases of adultery and desertion.

When you cite Matt 19, you're misapplying scripture to suit your own view. Jesus was referring to Moses allowing elective divorce (divorce for any reason, or no reason whatsoever). Jesus says "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

I fail to see how you can continue to falsely say that Jesus forbids divorce in the case of adultery.

 

You're right, John. It IS clearly permissible in those cases...either that or the Bible contradicts itself, and we all know it doesn't.

AVL1984

 

Oh, I see, now your god is the one of willful unforgiveness and doesn't believe in the ministry of reconciliation?

Glad mine ISN'T!!! He's God!!!

You two really do need to learn your Bible and just a note, throw that facimile away, it's a counterfeit!

 

BTW, "but from the beginning, it was not so" includes all reasons men come up with for divorce, or are yall inSINuating that Jesus "lied"
when He said, "What God hath joined together, let NO MAN put asunder"?

It's of the Truth, in that day, they shall marry and be giving in marriage: i,e,, anything goes as long as Dr. Gobbstopper says it's "So!"

 

Translation: "I'm running out of scriptural evidence, so I think I'll resort to namecalling"

Translation: "I think I'll try to divert attention by playing "king of the hill".

Translation: "I adhere to a doctrine which is not supported by scripture. Although this has nothing to do with the topic, it will divert attention away from the fact that I can't support my stance throught scripture".

BTW, you failed to notice that I quoted from the KJV, so you truly have no leg to stand on. However, seeing as how you err in regards to the doctrine ot single-translation-onlyism, it is no surprise to me that you err to clearly in regards to the topic of divorce as well.

 

JohnV, I've found that the person you are debating won't take scripture as an answer. Jesus said it was permissible, and that's good enough for me. I also notice this person has again attributed another version to me, though I use the KJV, though I am not KJVO. This person is nothing more than an instigator. He doesn't tell the truth, either. I truly do feel sorry for him.

AVL1984

 

No, I just won't take your limited god and your private interpretation of My God's Bible for anything worthy of something more than a bag full of hogwash!

BTW, you're lying!

You had best come up with your proof that I'm not telling the truth.

 

Translation: "I'm running out of scriptural evidence, so I think I'll resort to namecalling"

Translation: "I think I'll try to divert attention by playing "king of the hill".

Translation: "I adhere to a doctrine which is not supported by scripture. Although this has nothing to do with the topic, it will divert attention away from the fact that I can't support my stance throught scripture".

BTW, you failed to notice that I quoted from the KJV, so you truly have no leg to stand on. However, seeing as how you err in regards to the doctrine ot single-translation-onlyism, it is no surprise to me that you err to clearly in regards to the topic of divorce as well. </font>[/QUOTE]Private interpreting again?

 

I see the both of you having to resort to inSInuation to try and discredit the Truth.

 

You have attack anothers faith, and called Christian brothers those who worship a false god. You have again attacked the Word of God, by calling it a counterfeit. You are attributing to the devil that which is of God, ie. His children and His Word. You need to repent or close your hatefilled mouth. Your poison clearly shows you have no consideration for other Christians.

My brothers and the Word of God are who they are because God has said so, and their status with Him has nothing to do with your narrow minded bigoted view. Repent and ask your brothers for forgiveness. And also don't even assume I am trying to terrorize you, but I am asking you to let the Spirit of God open your eyes.

Bro Tony

 

You've accuse me, a fellow brother in Christ, of worshipping a false god, and of bearing false witness, and thus imply that my salvation is in question.

You owe me an apology.

 

No, I don't, you believe something that is extra-biblical and that is all there is to it.

You are following what another man has taught you, in direct contradiction to Scripture and it's CLEAR teaching, that God has NEVER allowed divorce as if He allows something He has commanded that NO man can put asunder.

You andf your co-hort are lowering yourselves to the same old tactics, FRIEND.

 

I haven't implied anything, you're just playing the same old game as if I had because you can't deal with the Truth.

I apologize to you for allowing you to believe as you have, that is my only mistake, but then you're opposed to yourself in being so easily offended.

 

John,

Let it go brother. Let the willfully ignorant remain ignorant. Dust off your shoes and move on. This will go no where because some will never hear or understand. He feels he can allow or not allow you to believe a certain way. You cannot talk to those who have no ears to hear.

Carry on in the Lord and move on from the small minded pharisees in the church.

Bro Tony

 

Sad, POR, that you have gotten so fiery, especially given the fact that, upon looking at my own posts here, I've given a scriptural answer, and backed my answer up with scripture. I have then rebutted your view with scripture that contradicts your view. Rather than discuss scripture, and engage in healthy discussion, you find it necessary to accuse a Christian of worshipping a false god, accuse a Christian of bearing false witness, and question the salvation of a believer, when nothing in this thread warrants you behavior.

Bro Tony, I will indeed take your advice and let it go. It's not worth taking up the time of those who stop by here, and not worth making the already volitile situation worse. I find it sad that healthy and positive discussion, which can include respectful disgreement, is unfortunately impossible with some on occaision.

 

It seems to me that Poor ol' Ralph loves to "hate the sinner as well as the sin." He would doom all of us divorcees to hell for that one mistake. I'm sure glad God doesn't feel the same way. If God weren't a loving and FORGIVING GOD, we all (included POR) would be in a "heap a trouble".

Ralph, God doesn't like any kind of sin, even the sin of being "holier than thou", which is exactly what you are doing. Remember that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God and that even includes you. To God there is no big sin and little sin.
There is no love for your brothers and sisters in Christ in your posts. You condemn us when you don't even know us or our relationship with Christ. You question our salvation and call some names for disagreeing with you. You sir would limit God's ability to forgive sinners when they come to him in repentance.

I will be praying for you.

 

delly, please allow me to ask this---when Jesus was reviled---did He revile back??

We all know that this subject is "touchy" and there are victims who would rather not be victims. There are some of us here who will say, "There but for the grace of God go I!"

I sense a sense of revileing being dominate here----I will pray that both sides of the issue will proceed with and in the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ "who, when He was reviled, reviled not again; but committed Himself to Him that judgeth righteously"--1Peter 2:23

Bro. David

 

Largely, what I have seen and read on this thread deals with the effect of divorce. I’ve not read a single comment that indicated anyone ever believed that divorce outside of the scriptural grounds mentioned was “okay” with God. I believe everyone understands that God never intended marriages to end in divorce. Of course, God never intended for Adam and Eve to disobey, or for Moses to strike the rock, or for David to lust after Bathsheba. Yet, those things happened and while all sin bears consequences, it is difficult to understand whether the sin in divorce is one of omission or commission, or both and whether the consequences are ours to judge.

Some folks are very passionate regarding how they perceive God views the divorce dilemma. Personally, I find that God views all sin pretty much the same, but certainly if we all thought so, we would not go to such great lengths to categorize human failures into “big sins” and “little sins.” I’m just as guilty as the next person and I despise my failures in that area and I would ask that you pray for me in that regard.

A few of us have been victims of divorce, some may even have been willing participants in dissolution proceedings, but I have not read that anyone entered into their marriage with intentions, or suspicions that their marriages would end in divorce.

So, I think I will just go on serving the Lord to the best of my ability. Although I have been divorced and remarried, I belong to a doctrinally sound church where both my wife and I, along with our children are welcome to serve God with our brothers and sisters in Christ, and you know, the Lord continues to bless my home and to bless my marriage . . . go figure.